2 day turnaround but I got spanked!

Onlypsahockey · June 22, 2006 8:28AM

I would have waited 3 months for a better shake than this.

Needless to say I have no business self submitting and this pile of crap will be my last attempt.

I hope no one else gets grades like these.

Bob C.

PSA Order Status for Submission # 596295

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 06382309 1971 TOPPS 1 GOAL LEADERS ESPOSITO/BUCYK/HULL 7
2 06382310 1971 TOPPS 2 NHL ASSISTS LEADERS B.ORR/P.ESPOSITO/J.BUCYK 7
3 06382311 1971 TOPPS 3 NHL SCORING LEADERS ESPOSITO/ORR/BUCYK 6
4 06382312 1971 TOPPS 4 NHL GOALIES WINS LEADERS 7
5 06382313 1971 TOPPS 5 NHL SHUTOUT LEADERS GIACOMIN/ESPOSITO/MANIAGO 6
6 06382314 1971 TOPPS 10 JACQUES PLANTE N/A 6
7 06382315 1971 TOPPS 11 BILL WHITE N/A 6
8 06382316 1971 TOPPS 12 ANDRE BOUDRIAS N/A 6
8 06382317 1971 TOPPS 12 ANDRE BOUDRIAS N/A 6
9 06382318 1971 TOPPS 14 ARNIE BROWN N/A 6
10 06382319 1971 TOPPS 18 GILLES VILLEMURE N/A 6
11 06382320 1971 TOPPS 19 SERGE BERNIER N/A 8
12 06382321 1971 TOPPS 20 PHIL ESPOSITO N/A 6
13 06382322 1971 TOPPS 33 ANDRE LACROIX N/A 7
14 06382323 1971 TOPPS 35 JOHNNY BUCYK N/A 7
15 06382324 1971 TOPPS 38 FRANK ST.MARSEILLE N/A 7
16 06382325 1971 TOPPS 44 BOB NEVIN N/A 7
17 06382326 1971 TOPPS 45 KEN DRYDEN N/A 5
18 06382327 1971 TOPPS 49 ALLAN HAMILTON N/A 8
19 06382328 1971 TOPPS 53 ROD SEILING N/A 6
20 06382329 1971 TOPPS 55 BILL GOLDSWORTHY N/A 8
21 06382330 1971 TOPPS 58 WAYNE MAKI N/A 7
22 06382331 1971 TOPPS 59 TERRY HARPER N/A 7
23 06382332 1971 TOPPS 62 WAYNE HILLMAN N/A 5
24 06382333 1971 TOPPS 64 KEN SCHINKEL N/A 8
24 06382334 1971 TOPPS 64 KEN SCHINKEL N/A 5
25 06382335 1971 TOPPS 65 DEREK SANDERSON N/A 6ST
26 06382336 1971 TOPPS 66 BARCLAY PLAGER N/A 7
27 06382337 1971 TOPPS 67 PAUL HENDERSON N/A 8
28 06382338 1971 TOPPS 68 JUDE DROUIN N/A 8
29 06382339 1971 TOPPS 73 BERT MARSHALL N/A 7
30 06382340 1971 TOPPS 74 GERRY MEEHAN N/A 8
31 06382341 1971 TOPPS 77 SYL APPS N/A 5
32 06382342 1971 TOPPS 78 TOM WEBSTER N/A 8
33 06382343 1971 TOPPS 79 DANNY GRANT N/A 7
34 06382344 1971 TOPPS 81 ERNIE WAKELY N/A 6
35 06382345 1971 TOPPS 83 DOUG ROBERTS N/A 8
36 06382346 1971 TOPPS 84 PETE MAHOVLICH N/A 8
37 06382347 1971 TOPPS 85 DENNIS HULL N/A 7
38 06382348 1971 TOPPS 88 PHIL GOYETTE N/A 8
39 06382349 1971 TOPPS 90 ED GIACOMIN N/A 7
40 06382350 1971 TOPPS 92 MIKE PELYK N/A 7
41 06382351 1971 TOPPS 94 BOB PULFORD N/A 8
42 06382352 1971 TOPPS 95 DALE TALLON N/A 8
43 06382353 1971 TOPPS 96 EDDIE SHACK N/A 8
44 06382354 1971 TOPPS 97 JEAN RATELLE N/A 7
45 06382355 1971 TOPPS 100 BOBBY ORR N/A 8
46 06382356 1971 TOPPS 106 TONY FEATHERSTONE N/A 8
47 06382357 1971 TOPPS 108 RALPH BACKSTROM N/A 8
48 06382358 1971 TOPPS 109 MURRAY HALL N/A 7
49 06382359 1971 TOPPS 110 TONY ESPOSITO N/A 8
50 06382360 1971 TOPPS 111 CHECKLIST #1-132 N/A 7
51 06382361 1971 TOPPS 112 JIM NEILSON N/A 6
52 06382362 1971 TOPPS 113 RON ELLIS N/A 5
53 06382363 1971 TOPPS 114 BOBBY CLARKE N/A 6
54 06382364 1971 TOPPS 125 STAN MIKITA N/A 7
55 06382365 1971 TOPPS 127 WAYNE CONNELLY N/A 6
56 06382366 1971 TOPPS 129 WAYNE CASHMAN N/A 8
57 06382367 1971 TOPPS 130 J.C. TREMBLAY N/A 7
58 06382368 1971 TOPPS 131 BERNIE PARENT N/A 7
59 06382369 1972 TOPPS 69 GILLES MELOCHE N/A 7
60 06382370 1972 TOPPS 94 CHECKLIST 1-176 N/A 6
61 06382371 1972 TOPPS 100 BOBBY ORR N/A 8
61 06382372 1972 TOPPS 100 BOBBY ORR N/A 6
62 06382373 1972 TOPPS 122 BOBBY ORR N/A 8
63 06382374 1972 TOPPS 146 IVAN BOLDIREV N/A 6
64 06382375 1972 TOPPS 172 JAMES NORRIS TROPHY 7
65 06382376 1972 TOPPS 175 LADY BYNG TROPHY N/A 6
66 06382377 1969 O-PEE-CHEE 33 ED GIACOMIN N/A 6
67 06382378 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 10 RON CHIPPERFIELD N/A 8
68 06382379 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 18 GARY INNESS N/A 7
69 06382380 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 40 AL HALMILTON N/A 7
70 06382381 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 46 KEN BAIRD N/A 8
71 06382382 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 54 NORM DUBE N/A 8
72 06382383 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 36 J.P. LeBLANC N/A 8

Date Received: 06/19/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 06/21/2006
Date Shipped: 06/21/2006

Bosox1976 · June 22, 2006 8:30AM

At least the Orr's went well. Vintage hockey is no cakewalk.

onlyanumber · June 22, 2006 9:04AM

Yeah don't feel bad--I've gotten hammered on 1971 hockey in the past. Not fun getting 4's when you thought they were 7's.

boggs · June 22, 2006 9:14AM

You must have gotten the grader of death. He go's thru the orders very quickly!!!!!!!!! Sorry....

Boopotts · June 22, 2006 9:56AM

I have no idea if I'm right or not, but I'll bet Bob is pretty successful in whatever career he has chosen.

I haven't seen Bob's cards (obviously), so it's hard to tell if he overgraded when he was inspecting them or if he just got jobbed. But it always seems as though the kind of people who are capable honest self-assessment are the one's who rarely end up being failures.

Boopotts · June 22, 2006 9:59AM

Oh-- and one other thing. I've graded about 150 of these '71 Topps hockey cards, and IMExperience PSA gets a reall prissy attitude about corner wear on '71 hockey, but they're pretty leinent on centering. You really have to scrutinize the corners with a loupe to determine if a card's worth sending in, but if the centering looks even close it's usually worth a shot.

rvc · June 22, 2006 10:15AM

was that your first big submission of 71's bob?

WeekendHacker · June 22, 2006 10:50AM

Boopotts,

Help me out here, what do you mean by "scrutinize the corners with a loupe?" I've heard the term but really don't know exactly what it means. I've been 'shafted' on submissions myself and I think I might need to add this to my evaluations. Thanks pal.

Mike

phreakydancin · June 22, 2006 11:08AM

<< Boopotts,

Help me out here, what do you mean by "scrutinize the corners with a loupe?" I've heard the term but really don't know exactly what it means. I've been 'shafted' on submissions myself and I think I might need to add this to my evaluations. Thanks pal.

Mike >>

If you don't use a loupe, you're either getting crappy grades or you're very lucky.

A loupe is just a fancy term for a magnifying glass. I use this kind that fits in your eye socket:

I picked up my cheap plastic set of three loupes (2.5X, 5X and 10X) at a dollar store. Best dollar I ever spent.

Boopotts · June 22, 2006 12:12PM

<< 

<< Boopotts,

Help me out here, what do you mean by "scrutinize the corners with a loupe?" I've heard the term but really don't know exactly what it means. I've been 'shafted' on submissions myself and I think I might need to add this to my evaluations. Thanks pal.

Mike >>

If you don't use a loupe, you're either getting crappy grades or you're very lucky.

A loupe is just a fancy term for a magnifying glass. I use this kind that fits in your eye socket:

I picked up my cheap plastic set of three loupes (2.5X, 5X and 10X) at a dollar store. Best dollar I ever spent. >>

Like Mike said, it's basically a small magnifying glass. No card nerd is complete without one (think of it as the equivilent of a pocket protector for sports card geeks). You can get on on Ebay for about 8-12 shipped, and you want to make sure you get one that has 10x magnification (but no more then that, since anything with more power then 10x will just complicate the issue when you're examining your cards) and DEFINITELY get one that's lighted (I see that Mike's isn't lighted, but he must have eyesight that would put Chuck Yeager to shame. My eyes are a little on the lousy side, so the small light is a Godsend). Also, be prepared to buy a new one every month or so, because if you're like me you'll leave it on all night within the first two weeks that you own it and will completely dismantle and ruin it when you try to replace the battery.

Onlypsahockey · June 22, 2006 1:01PM

Thanks Boo for the kind words.

Rvc this was my first (and last) large 71 submission.

I've had plenty of cards graded over the last 18 months. Usually one or two submissions a month up until 2 months ago. I've graded plenty of 71's too.

I picked up a bunch of nice 71's a few months back and went through them all. First I pulled all the 50/50 cards. Then I removed anything with fuzzy corners, toning, print dots or miscut backs. I narrowed the stack and put them on the shelf for 6 or 7 weeks. Last week I had some time so I went through them again and weeded out a few more cards. I have handled a ton of 71's (see my registry set) and thought I pretty much knew what it would take to pull 8's and up. I even cracked a couple 7's I felt were undergraded and added them to the sub. The cracked 7's (Boudrias) both came back 6's by the way.

I thought I learned a lot over the last 18 months but I was mistaken. Of everything I did learn on these boards I neglected the best advice given. Buy a loupe.

I have a sweet 66 set I wanted to grade but I'll be keeping it raw for the foreseeable future.

Live and learn. Thanks again guys, Bob C.

Boopotts · June 22, 2006 1:11PM

<< Thanks Boo for the kind words.

Rvc this was my first (and last) large 71 submission.

I've had plenty of cards graded over the last 18 months. Usually one or two submissions a month up until 2 months ago. I've graded plenty of 71's too.

I picked up a bunch of nice 71's a few months back and went through them all. First I pulled all the 50/50 cards. Then I removed anything with fuzzy corners, toning, print dots or miscut backs. I narrowed the stack and put them on the shelf for 6 or 7 weeks. Last week I had some time so I went through them again and weeded out a few more cards. I have handled a ton of 71's (see my registry set) and thought I pretty much knew what it would take to pull 8's and up. I even cracked a couple 7's I felt were undergraded and added them to the sub. The cracked 7's (Boudrias) both came back 6's by the way.

I thought I learned a lot over the last 18 months but I was mistaken. Of everything I did learn on these boards I neglected the best advice given. Buy a loupe.

I have a sweet 66 set I wanted to grade but I'll be keeping it raw for the foreseeable future.

Live and learn. Thanks again guys, Bob C. >>

One of the newer developments at PSA is that they're really cracking down on white bordered cards that show any paper loss under 10x magniifcation--even if the corners are genuinely mint to the naked eye. That may be what happened here, Bob, since I have plenty of PSA 7 slabs in my 'bin of shame' that look absolutely stunning to the naked eye, but show some mild corner wear when I break out the loupe.

Anyway, you'll be in for a chuckle or two when I get back my 1974 OPC hockey-- all of which are rough cut, and none of which I louped (don't ask). Those should be good for a group belly laugh when they finally pop!

RobBobGolf · June 22, 2006 7:53PM

I even cracked a couple 7's I felt were undergraded and added them to the sub. The cracked 7's (Boudrias) both came back 6's by the way.

Same thing just happened to me. I cracked some PSA 9 (oc) 1971 Glossies and re-submitted under "No Qualifiers" and they were bumped down to PSA 6. Makes no sense to me at all.

PSA Order Status for Submission # 596230

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 06371041 1970 TOPPS 2 JOHN UNITAS SUPER GLOSSY 8
2 06371042 1970 TOPPS 5 LEROY KELLY SUPER GLOSSY 7
2 06371043 1970 TOPPS 5 LEROY KELLY SUPER GLOSSY 6
3 06371044 1970 TOPPS 7 BOB HAYES SUPER GLOSSY 6
3 06371045 1970 TOPPS 7 BOB HAYES SUPER GLOSSY 6
4 06371046 1970 TOPPS 9 BART STARR SUPER GLOSSY 6
5 06371047 1970 TOPPS 11 JACK SNOW SUPER GLOSSY 5
6 06371048 1970 TOPPS 12 JOE KAPP SUPER GLOSSY 6
7 06371049 1970 TOPPS 13 DAVE OSBORN SUPER GLOSSY 6
7 06371050 1970 TOPPS 13 DAVE OSBORN SUPER GLOSSY 6
8 06371051 1970 TOPPS 14 DAN ABRAMOWICZ SUPER GLOSSY 6
9 06371052 1970 TOPPS 17 ROY JEFFERSON SUPER GLOSSY 6
10 06371053 1970 TOPPS 18 JACKIE SMITH SUPER GLOSSY 6
11 06371054 1970 TOPPS 24 FLOYD LITTLE SUPER GLOSSY 7
12 06371055 1970 TOPPS 25 RICH JACKSON SUPER GLOSSY 6
12 06371056 1970 TOPPS 25 RICH JACKSON SUPER GLOSSY 7

Can we start another conspiracy theory that 063=grader of death

WeekendHacker · June 23, 2006 12:23AM

phreakydancin; Boopotts,

Thanks, I guess I need to pick one of those up! I've been using an 'Inspector Clouseau' magnifying glass. It helps, but I know that would work out better!! Appreciate the help.

Mike

Wabittwax · June 23, 2006 1:49AM

I thought everyone used a magnifer to submit cards. Seems kinda costly not to. The one I use is a 10X lighted magnifier and it cost me about $35. I think you can find them on Ebay. I've thought about trying to buy them wholesale someday and reselling them just because I know so many people on here could use one. Here's a picture of mine:

onlyanumber · June 23, 2006 2:00AM

Geez, that thing could pass as a weapon!

Wabittwax · June 23, 2006 3:36AM

LOL, it's actually only about 6 inches long. I haven't figured out how to make smaller pictures yet with my digital camera. It's the best magnifier I've ever used and I wouldn't go back to a non lighted one.

Toad · June 23, 2006 11:43AM

<< I have no idea if I'm right or not, but I'll bet Bob is pretty successful in whatever career he has chosen.

I haven't seen Bob's cards (obviously), so it's hard to tell if he overgraded when he was inspecting them or if he just got jobbed. But it always seems as though the kind of people who are capable honest self-assessment are the one's who rarely end up being failures. >>

That was one of the oddest posts I have ever seen.

VintageJeff · June 23, 2006 12:06PM

I have quite a few of these i used to sell them cheap on here.

Onlypsahockey shoot me a pm and ill send one out to ya.

80sJunkie · July 4, 2006 12:36AM

wabitwax were can i buy one of those lighted magnifiers?

2 day turnaround but I got spanked!

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