Stolen Coins, Keep an eye out please

Flyfishguy

The following Bust Half Dollars are missing and presumed stolen. The
coins were sent to ANACS in February for re-holder and disappeared while at ANACS.
All are in old style ANACS holders.

The coins were sent registered mail, insured for $60,000.00. The coins were received and signed for at ANACS. As of today, they have no record of the coins ever being received.

Date Overton # Grade
1808 104 AU53
1809 101 EF40
1809 102a AU53
1809 103 AU58
1809 104 EF45
1809 109a AU55
1809 105 AU50
1809 112 VF35
1810 101 AU55
1810 102a MS60
1810 108 AU55
1811 105a AU58
1811 112 AU58
1812 105a AU55
1812 109 MS62
1813 108 AU55
1814 101a AU55
1814 105a AU58
1814 106a AU50
1817 107 AU55
1818 104a AU58
1818 108 AU55
1818 111 AU55
1819 105 AU53
1819 107 AU58
1819 110a MS61
1819 114 AU55
1820 104 AU55
1821 101a AU55
1821 102 AU55
1821 106 AU58
1821 107 AU53
1822 102 AU55
1822 103a AU50
1822 106 AU58
1823 101 AU55
1824 104 AU55
1824 108 AU55
1824 111 MS62
1825 103 AU53
1825 107 AU58
1825 113 AU58
1826 119 MS60
1826 120a AU58
1827 101 MS62
1827 102 AU58
1827 108a AU58
1827 109 AU55
1827 107 AU58
1827 121 MS60
1827 131 AU58
1827 133 AU58
1827 142 MS61
1828 104 AU58
1829 111 AU55
1829 115 MS62
1829 117 AU58
1830 102 AU55
1830 105 AU55
1830 110 AU58
1830 111 AU58
1830 123 MS61
1831 104 AU58
1831 109 AU55
1832 105a AU55
1832 118 AU55
1832 121a AU58
1833 104 AU58
1833 105 AU58
1833 106 AU55
1833 108 AU58
1833 110 AU58
1834 101 AU58
1834 102 AU58
1834 107 AU58
1834 108 AU55
1834 109 AU58
1834 110 AU55
1834 112 AU55
1834 117 AU58

ER

So, did they (ANACS) or did they not receive them? I'm confused.

Peaceman

ANACS signs for them and they dont have them......

Flyfishguy

The Post Office records show the coins were delivered and signed for. ANACS can't find the coins or any record of them.. I see it as ANACS lost them.

Baley

bet the owner is really cursing those new anacs holders, now..

this effin sucks

dthigpen

<< <i>The Post Office records show the coins were delivered and signed for. ANACS can't find the coins or any record of them.. I see it as ANACS lost them. >>



Any word on ANACS helping you finding them / reimbursing you?

Flyfishguy

This was about 20% of one of the top Bust Half collections in the country.

segoja

How do you register and insure for $60,000???

I thought the limit was much less!

Sounds ike ANACS' problem not your's, unless someone forged the signature (which I've had happen on registered packages)

Good luck getting it squared away!

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>ANACS signs for them and they dont have them...... >>




as soon as I get my tongue out from under my foot and my jaw up off the floor ..... I'll comment !

Cladiator

Jesus Chriminy!

goose3

from the USPS website...

Items you send with Registered Mail are placed under tight security from the point of mailing to the point of delivery, and insured up to $25,000 against loss or damage. And you can verify the date and time of delivery and the delivery attempts online.


how did you insure for 60K?


and hey........

Flyfishguy

I've seen that 25K limit on their web site, but that's apparently out of date. We send packages a couple times a month over 25K and they accept them at the P.O. here in Utah.

UncleWiggly

I sent a pckage insured for $28K to PCGS via registered mail. $25,000 with the post office and the remainder covered by Hugh Woods. 25K is also the limit stated on the front of the white registered slip. It's a moot point now though if the P.O. says they were signed for. Does the person whose signature is on the acknowledgement of acceptance even work at ANACS? This is definitely a drag.



Jerry

goose3

who signed for them?

what does it say online when you enter the number?

TheHamr

<< <i>The Post Office records show the coins were delivered and signed for. ANACS can't find the coins or any record of them.. I see it as ANACS lost them. >>



Of course the P.O.'s record shows they were delievered ... the P.O. doesn't want to be on the hook for 60K. Of course I am being pesimistic (sp) but it would certainly obsolve them from any liability. Where do you go from here? Who becomes responsible if you cannot yourself prove they were actually delivered "aka" the coins exchanged hands from the P.O. to ANACS? At this point it sounds like it could become a his word against anothers word kind of thing?

mrearlygold

Coin Finder

If you send it in 3 separate packages you could insure for $75,000 or $25,000 each.

Have ANAcs contact their insurance company and file a claim.
Save all paperwork, get proof of value.

WTCG

If it can be proven that ANACS signed for the package and ANACS cannot locate the coins, then ANACS is liable for the loss.

Boothill40

How would one ID these coins if they were cracked out, I know on most Burg reports I've taken over the years If it involves graded coins I ask for the serial number on the holder and if they're raw I just list type year and denomination.
Please remember I just got back into collecting so I'm not up on whats rare and whats not, info I find here that is useful I pass on to the Detectives and Patrol folks at workand I already faxed a copy of this list to them----Tom

Mercury

That's Huge. I hope you have good results.

Mercury

Bryan1315

Boothill if I am not mistaken, they were in old ANACS holders and they wanted them reholdered in the new holders that they have out now so they wouldn't be raw unless they were cracked out of the original holder

mozin

Terrible situation for this Bustie collector. Losing 80 Bust Halves worth at least $60,000 like that is unbelievable.

We need to get the ANACS ID numbers if we are going to help this poor fellow.

Flyfishguy, please turn on your private message icon.

HighRelief

<< <i>The following Bust Half Dollars are missing and presumed stolen. The
coins were sent to ANACS in February for re-holder and disappeared while at ANACS. >>



What have you been doing the past four months to take care of this? What will Anacs do on their part, the coins were in thier hands last? Next time you should get a $300.00 plane ticket and take them in yourself. Good Luck Flyfishguy

Boothill40

<< <i>Boothill if I am not mistaken, they were in old ANACS holders and they wanted them reholdered in the new holders that they have out now so they wouldn't be raw unless they were cracked out of the original holder >>



thats what I was thinking so some ser#'s would help but If they were taken they might be cracked out to avoid ID, if not #'s could be a dead bang ID.

Like I always tell folks I arrest "We don't catch the smart ones"---Tom

BAJJERFAN

How do you register and insure for $60,000???

I thought the limit was much less!

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I expect the declared value was $60K and insured for $25K and the extra security fee was paid. Looks like ANACS has some splainin to do. Probly an enterprising employee decided to take advantage of the confusion during the move?

I wonder if the postal people who delivered actually got some form of ID from the person who signed for it.

ER

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<< <i>The following Bust Half Dollars are missing and presumed stolen. The
coins were sent to ANACS in February for re-holder and disappeared while at ANACS. >>



What have you been doing the past four months to take care of this? What will Anacs do on their part, the coins were in thier hands last? Next time you should get a $300.00 plane ticket and take them in yourself. Good Luck Flyfishguy >>


I must say, the past few times I sent expensive coins across the country, I get quite nervous. My latest one (it's been 2 weeks now), though not that expensive, a registered package, is still in limbo somewhere.

Barry

You can send Registered mail up to $100K, however the USPS will only insure up to $25K. The remainder must be insured by an outside service. Many coin dealers have such coverage which requires sending Registered and using their own insurance for the entire value of the shipment.

BAJJERFAN

If you have not already done so your first move should be to file a claim with the postal service. They will investigate and if delivery was made they will provide you with the necessary proof that it was delivered and signed for. Your net step will be to seek compensation from ANACS.

VTCoins

We'll keep our eyes open for the coins.

Bryan1315

I may be wrong here, but couldn't the postal inspector track down who signed for the package and then press charges for using the postal service to commit theft? If I am wrong I am sorry I think I have heard of such a thing when people send money orders through the mail and they charged the person who received and cashed the money order and didnt send the product to the person buying from them

JadeRareCoin

$25K is the limit with the USPS. However, if ANACS signed for them, then they are responsible for the actual stated value on the ANACS submission form. The post office is off of the hook since someone signed for it. If the post office had lost the package, then you would have been out $35,000, since it was over insured.

Nysoto

Hopefully the coins will be found and eventually returned, and if stolen the theif brought to justice. I had four early bust halves stolen in route from the Reiver sale Reiver stolen coins. The R.7 rarity was recovered by a dealer visiting a coin shop, who returned the coin to Heritage. I had signed a release for the stolen coins and Heritage refunded the money, so the coin is legally the property of Heritage. Before I signed the release, Heritage had stated the coins would be offered to me if recovered, but I would expect the coins to be held for insurance and possible criminal litigation for some time.

ScarsdaleCoin

Not sure if ANACS would be responsible even if they signed for the box.....here is my thinking...

I send a box registered with a couple of coins.....ANACS receives them ...but I claim that there were 50 coins in the shipment....

ANACS signed for the box, but as I have illustrated, there must be some sort of right that ANACS has to receive them in...

I would assume certain companies "video" boxes being opened.... same as the bank "films" the employees who open the envelopes that have been deposited in the ATMS.... so that they know if money is correct..

earlwbollinger

Well a year ago, I had gotten a non-coin item via Ebay.
The seller sent it out insured return receipt signature required.
After three weeks I checked as to what happened as I hadn't recieved it yet.
The seller ran a request thru the USPO about it and the USPO stated it had been deleivered and signed for, but not by me.
So three months later, after all the negative things going back and forth about it, guess what shows up in my mailbox?
Yup it arrived. The package looked perfect, never having been damaged or anything.
I asked the mailman about it, since it was postmarked over three months earlier, and he just shrugged his shoulders, and stated, "Beats me, I don't know."

Conder101

<< <i>I've seen that 25K limit on their web site, but that's apparently out of date. We send packages a couple times a month over 25K and they accept them at the P.O. here in Utah. >>


The PO will happily charge you for insurance amounts over the 25K limit. But if they lose the package and you file a claim 25K per package is the maximum amount they will pay. The "insurance" fee you pay for the amount over the 25K max goes for "security handling" not insurance.

TorinoCobra71

Dang, Wes, That really does SUCK! I hope you get them ALL Back


TorinoCobra71

CoinRaritiesOnline

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<< <i>I've seen that 25K limit on their web site, but that's apparently out of date. We send packages a couple times a month over 25K and they accept them at the P.O. here in Utah. >>

The PO will happily charge you for insurance amounts over the 25K limit. But if they lose the package and you file a claim 25K per package is the maximum amount they will pay. The "insurance" fee you pay for the amount over the 25K max goes for "security handling" not insurance. >>



You are absolutely correct, Condor 101.

The post office will happily accept your additional money for what you think is "insurance" over $25,000. They will not pay 1c over $25,000 in the event of a claim. Incredible, but true.

"security handling fee" = 100% profit to the Post Office.

BAJJERFAN

The "extra security" fee is pretty much a guarantee that your package will get delivered.

Conder101

The Registered mail fee is just about a guarantee that your package will get delivered.

goose3

where is this flyfishguy?

we need an update.

kranky

goose, the update is here.

goose3

thanks Kranky!

ABC123

We're still looking !