stupid seller

cohocorp

so i listed my 1952 topps frank campos black star variation psa 4 in open auction last week on ebay. it appears that so far, since the story broke about the variation, there are probably about ten or so out there combined. there are 3 on the psa pop report. anyway, some idiotic seller decides to list his the day after mine instead of waiting for my listing to end. also he only listed his in a 5 day auction so his ended first. then he contacted my bidders. whatta a tool. although the sgc 30 in the rea auction sold for over $4600 in the last rea auction, this guy's sgc50 only sold for alittle over $4000. it was a diamond cut though. real good timing there pal. i think if he had waited, he would have gotten alot more bids than just $4000. therefore in affect killing my auction (didnt hit my reserve). it only closed for $6300. thanks for contacting my bidders jerkoff. to add insult to injury, this joker doesnt even deal in cards. he deals in toy trains. i just cant figure out people some times. there was $75 in listings fees flushed. just venting.

williplett

You had to pay $75 in fees on an item that didn't meet reserve? That seems steep. I have never sold an item on Ebay before, so I am really ignorant on how much they charge. If you know for a fact that the guy contacted your bidders, can't you file a complaint with Ebay for auction tampering?

cohocorp

it is a fact, one of the bidders even filed a complaint. the reserve i set on the card cost me 50 bucks alone. and it was featured. the total fees were $75. it just amazes me that some of these guys have absolutely no moral fiber. when it comes down to it, all we really have is our character!

williplett

Ouch, that sucks! Sorry to hear about that. How much in fees could a guy expect to pay in auctions for run of the mill card that might go for $10-15 bucks?

VintageJeff

Depends on alot of things but about 50 cents to a dollar or so

Ahmanfan

I still think $6000 for a '52 topps baseball common player (no matter how rare the variation) would be a good deal. That would be enough to finish a whole bunch of other sets!
John

lostdart58

<< <i>I still think $6000 for a '52 topps baseball common player (no matter how rare the variation) would be a good deal. That would be enough to finish a whole bunch of other sets!
John >>



Yes, I would have to agree.................Greed is a horrible thing........Ya put a reserve on an item and you take your chances...........Maybe in two weeks five more of these cards will come out ..................

mikeschmidt

Why is he a stupid seller? Perhaps he wanted to monotize his interest in having a rare common. You think he killed the price? Perhaps it is you who shot yourself in the foot, having wasted $75 in listing fees and ending up with a common card that did not sell. I can understand why you might be angry at the situation - but I see a seller who just made himself four large, and you're left holding a card and no cash.

We'll just agree to disagree on this one. But perhaps you are the stupid seller for putting a reserve of so high on this card - and you may have lost an opportunity to sell a PSA 4 common variation for over $6k. Only time will tell if this is the top of the market, or simply a new market for a rare variation.

sagard

Send an email to your high bidders and offer to sell them at your price. They didn't participtate in the other guys auction. The story on this card is still very "new", by holding a while longer you will probably realize the same or more cash in the end despite the $75 loss in Ebay fees.

cohocorp

mikeschmidt--------
bottom line is that he certainly would have gotten over $5000 for his if he simply waited 1 week. how am i the stupid one? i can easily sell it for just the $6300, but i dont want to. i have higher offers. it is difficult to determine the value thats all. time will certainly tell if the reserve was too high. one issue i have is that if at some point i decide to switch my 52 topps set to a master set, i may not be able to replace this 1 card. at the time i listed the card, there were only 2 indicators on the potential value. the first was the sgc30/2 which sold in rea auction for $4600 with the juice and the other is in an ebay store with a $20,000 bin price. that one is an sgc80/6. that was pretty much all the info i had to work with. so i went with a $9000 reserve. made sense to me. but what do i know? not much i guess. either way, he was way out of line contacting my bidders during the auction. also i has nothing to do with greed at all. i am a very generous person as i contribute to charity often and i volunteered my time to council domestic abused people. so i guess we agree to disagree is correct as i am trying to determine the market.

baseballfanatic

Not taking sides or anything, but 4,000 from REA is 3,200 for the seller (if its 20% juice). After consigning, waiting for pics and cataloging and then 30 days after the auction to receive a check, you can be waiting 3-4 months total. Someone took every advantage on Ebay because he wanted to sell and made out just as well. I know a lot of us have cards that should go for "X", but holding out for "X" sometimes leaves you with nothing. Its worth what someone is willing to pay. I know the feeling all too well what you are going through, as do a lot of members here, because sometimes its hard letting go of certain items....

WeekendHacker

<< <i>mikeschmidt--------
i can easily sell it for just the $6300, but i dont want to. i have higher offers. >>



If you have higher offers, why not just sell it and avoid those insane fee-bay charges.

mikeschmidt

Patrick: I certainly was not accusing you of being a personally greedy. I am sure that many here on these boards do a lot to contribute to humanity through any of various means.

At the end of the day, though - my point was that a true market price would almost, by definition, by starting an auction at $1, and letting it run. I obviously do not think sellers should contact other bidders from other auctions. But, by your setting a reserve, you either a) lost an opportunity or b) made a good move.

Now, you say you have higher offers on the card already. Which is great for you - but, if that is the case, I'm surprised that any higher interested party would not want to negotiate down now based upon the results of your auction and what the SGC 50 went for. Your belief and contention is that the other seller cost himself money by selling on Ebay at the same time yours was up. I'm just stating that I do not necessarily agree. First of all - his SGC 50 was not like your PSA 4. They both looked quite different - with a note especially to the diamond cut. Since the seller ran the auction as he/she did - I'm guessing that they are satisfied with the transaction. If you were TRULY convinced that the seller left $1,000 on the table - you should have bought it and flipped it for $1,000 more. But you didn't make that move. I am a collector first and foremost, but if I ever saw an apportunity to buy a card for "a little over $4000" for which I could have "certainly gotten over $5000 for his if he simply waited 1 week." (your words), I would take that deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday. But I'm not convinced that is the case. And obviously there were not other dealers out there either who thought they could flip the card in one week for a 20% gain. Because they would have.

~ms

cohocorp

ms- there was absolutely no chance i would bid on any auction of an unscrupulous seller no matter what the price. but i do get your point and respect your opinion.
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