Ever So Light Surface Wrinkle, Curious What to do?

1960toppsguy · May 9, 2006 10:29AM

Any advice on how I could remove a very slight paper wrinkle (surface crease) that is visible only on the front of an old 1940's Play Ball Baseball Card? I appreciate any advice. . .

Boopotts · May 9, 2006 11:15AM

<< Any advice on how I could remove a very slight paper wrinkle (surface crease) that is visible only on the front of an old 1940's Play Ball Baseball Card? I appreciate any advice. . .

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Soak it, put two heavy pieces of white paper on either side of it and put it under something heavy for about a week.

zef204 · May 9, 2006 11:18AM

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<< Any advice on how I could remove a very slight paper wrinkle (surface crease) that is visible only on the front of an old 1940's Play Ball Baseball Card? I appreciate any advice. . .

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Soak it, put two heavy pieces of white paper on either side of it and put it under something heavy for about a week. >>

Are you chitting me?

zef204 · May 9, 2006 11:18AM

Maybe an iron?

tennesseebanker · May 9, 2006 11:21AM

I have heard you can rub a coin across it with a piece of thin vinyl or acrylic over the wrinkle. If it works let me know.

Boopotts · May 9, 2006 1:12PM

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<< Any advice on how I could remove a very slight paper wrinkle (surface crease) that is visible only on the front of an old 1940's Play Ball Baseball Card? I appreciate any advice. . .

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Soak it, put two heavy pieces of white paper on either side of it and put it under something heavy for about a week. >>

Are you chitting me? >>

It works like a charm. I've never tried it with Play Ball cards, but I've done it with most Topps issues.

bri2327 · May 9, 2006 10:15PM

Boo, I've heard that before but never attempted. Are there any variables to consider such as length of time to soak the card, whether the card should be dried prior to placing between the two white pages, etc ?

WinPitcher · May 9, 2006 11:03PM

What happens when the 'wrinkle' reappears?

Steve

SoFLPhillyFan · May 10, 2006 12:20AM

1. Place card gently on floor, face down.

2. Lightly stomp on reverse.

The key is using the correct footwear.

Don't know if I'd try any of the suggested methods.

You guys are much more experienced and hopefully did it with cheap cards first.

Stingray · May 10, 2006 1:37AM

1960stoppsguy, would that not be considered altering the card???

RonBurgundy · May 10, 2006 4:09AM

A handful of PSA friendly dealers I know use a spoon and rub over the wrinkle with the card in a card saver, then place it in a screwdown for a day or two. Sometimes it works and sometimes doesn't.

cardfan07 · May 10, 2006 4:11AM

I too wonder about altering a card by ironing or soaking a card. Is that any different than bleaching borders?

poppie · May 10, 2006 5:07AM

You people are scaring me! Yikes !!!!

WinPitcher · May 10, 2006 5:13AM

Many GAI friendly dealers I heard use a spork. They go to a kentucky fried chicken outlet and grab them. Then just before submitting to GAI they spork all the wrinkles out. They then get a .5 bump in grade.

Steve

Boopotts · May 10, 2006 5:16AM

Let's all bear in mind that the question here wasn't 'is it right or wrong to do it', but rather 'how do you do it'.

Toppsguy-- My suggestion would be to try a few lower-end cards first, since there are some issues that just disintegrate once they hit the water (or so I've been told. I've never had this happen, but I don't want to be held responsible for ruining your card). It usually takes about three days or so, and you should change the paper daily (again, IMExperience). If it doesn't take the first time it's possible you didn't use enough weight, in which case you should soak it again and increase the weight being applied on the card. One thing you can do that generally works is to put the card between two flat, relatively thick objects (like pieces of plexiglass, or maybe three toploaders on either side of the card) and put the card under a bureau or something with the leg of the bureau bearing down directly on the wrinkle. Doing it this way should have the wrinkle eliminated in jut a couple days.

Hope this helps,

Guy

Boopotts · May 10, 2006 5:17AM

<< What happens when the 'wrinkle' reappears?

Steve >>

By then it's already in a third party holder and sold on Ebay, so whatever happens isn't your problem.

Edit to add: I'm obviouly being facecious. But I think we all know what you were trying to get at here, so just go ahead and say it.

WinPitcher · May 10, 2006 5:19AM

I did say it.

Steve

Boopotts · May 10, 2006 5:56AM

<< I did say it.

Steve >>

Let's just make sure we're clear on one thing. It's not the act of pressing out a wrinkle that's unethical-- in fact, I don't think that's even debatable. What IS debatable is whether or not selling the card later is unethical, but that discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.

SoFLPhillyFan · May 10, 2006 6:10AM

<< put the card under a bureau or something with the leg of the bureau bearing down directly on the wrinkle. >>

So my wife comes home tonight and says "honey why are all our bureaus and dressers sitting lopsided."

My answer?

"Not to worry sweetheart, as soon as I soak a few more cards they will all be level."

Griffins · May 10, 2006 6:43AM

<< Many GAI friendly dealers I heard use a spork >>

It's not limited to GAI.

Boopotts · May 10, 2006 6:57AM

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<< Many GAI friendly dealers I heard use a spork >>

It's not limited to GAI. >>

Didn't you get the memo? The ONLY place where ANYTHING altered slips through is GAI. C'mon, bro-- get on the right page!!

bishop · May 10, 2006 7:42AM

Steve
I also heard that if you place the 11 secret herbs and spices from KFC in the water before soaking, the wrinkle never comes back.

1960toppsguy · May 10, 2006 1:21PM

thanks for the suggestions, i'm not trying to alter a card, was just curious. I am sure there is not a person alive that if they had a similiar card would not try and remove a wrinkle if possible. without being unethical or immorial.

ColleSystem · May 10, 2006 1:58PM

I am alive and I wouldn't remove the wrinkle. Do nothing to the card. It is what it is. Removing a wrinkle/crease is altering the card. Trading or selling an altered card is even worse.

Giving the rest of the folks on the forum the idea that you might alter cards certainly will not help your trading and selling on these boards or ebay at all.

Boopotts · May 10, 2006 2:26PM

<< I am alive and I wouldn't remove the wrinkle. Do nothing to the card. It is what it is. Removing a wrinkle/crease is altering the card. Trading or selling an altered card is even worse.

Giving the rest of the folks on the forum the idea that you might alter cards certainly will not help your trading and selling on these boards or ebay at all. >>

And so is putting a wax stained card in the freezer and wiping it down with a pair of the wife's nylons the next day to remove the wax.

They're just sportscards, and there's a huge grey area when it comes to 'what's right and what's wrong', which necessarily means the boundries are different for everyone. You don't have to agree with someone else's opinion, but IMO it's important to respect those differences.

yawie99 · May 10, 2006 2:41PM

<< Many GAI friendly dealers I heard use a spork. They go to a kentucky fried chicken outlet and grab them. Then just before submitting to GAI they spork all the wrinkles out. They then get a .5 bump in grade.

Steve >>

Boopotts · May 10, 2006 3:26PM

<< thanks for the suggestions, i'm not trying to alter a card, was just curious. I am sure there is not a person alive that if they had a similiar card would not try and remove a wrinkle if possible. without being unethical or immorial.

>>

Well-- It's your card, so you should do whatever you want with it! The only question that really matter is whether or not you should try and sell/trade it to someone without telling them what kind of alteration took place.

pandrews · May 10, 2006 4:44PM

ok i admit it.. i too, have used sporks on a few cards..

you may want to think about getting the whole assortment, as each spork is useful in it's own way..

GlynRParson · May 10, 2006 9:19PM

Removing wrinkle and removing wax from the front of a card with nylons are 2 entirely different things. You are adding nothing when you remove wax you are adding something to a card when you soak it. Is it (soaking) the worst thing you can do to a card? no, but it is a debatable thing however removing wax is no different then flicking a booger that fell out of your nose off the card. PS you dont need to put it in the freezer to remove wax from the obverse of a card you can do it right away. By the way most of the ways to remove a wrinkle stated above are often detectable and PSA will lower your grades or not grade them at all if they deem the cards to have been pressed and or soaked.

etown99girl · May 10, 2006 9:33PM

These work just fine for us.

VintageJeff · May 13, 2006 9:59PM

<< 

<< put the card under a bureau or something with the leg of the bureau bearing down directly on the wrinkle. >>

So my wife comes home tonight and says "honey why are all our bureaus and dressers sitting lopsided."

My answer?

"Not to worry sweetheart, as soon as I soak a few more cards they will all be level."

>>

OMG LMFAO

chaz43 · May 14, 2006 3:46AM

<< Let's all bear in mind that the question here wasn't 'is it right or wrong to do it', but rather 'how do you do it'.

Toppsguy-- My suggestion would be to try a few lower-end cards first, since there are some issues that just disintegrate once they hit the water (or so I've been told. I've never had this happen, but I don't want to be held responsible for ruining your card). It usually takes about three days or so, and you should change the paper daily (again, IMExperience). If it doesn't take the first time it's possible you didn't use enough weight, in which case you should soak it again and increase the weight being applied on the card. One thing you can do that generally works is to put the card between two flat, relatively thick objects (like pieces of plexiglass, or maybe three toploaders on either side of the card) and put the card under a bureau or something with the leg of the bureau bearing down directly on the wrinkle. Doing it this way should have the wrinkle eliminated in jut a couple days.

Hope this helps,

Guy >>

DON'T FORGET TO USE FABRIC SOFTENER !!!!!! chaz

1960toppsguy · May 14, 2006 10:53AM

chaz:

you're a commedian,no help , thanks for wasting your time reading this

Boopotts · May 14, 2006 12:11PM

<< 

<< Let's all bear in mind that the question here wasn't 'is it right or wrong to do it', but rather 'how do you do it'.

Toppsguy-- My suggestion would be to try a few lower-end cards first, since there are some issues that just disintegrate once they hit the water (or so I've been told. I've never had this happen, but I don't want to be held responsible for ruining your card). It usually takes about three days or so, and you should change the paper daily (again, IMExperience). If it doesn't take the first time it's possible you didn't use enough weight, in which case you should soak it again and increase the weight being applied on the card. One thing you can do that generally works is to put the card between two flat, relatively thick objects (like pieces of plexiglass, or maybe three toploaders on either side of the card) and put the card under a bureau or something with the leg of the bureau bearing down directly on the wrinkle. Doing it this way should have the wrinkle eliminated in jut a couple days.

Hope this helps,

Guy >>

DON'T FORGET TO USE FABRIC SOFTENER !!!!!! chaz >>

Wha?

Boopotts · May 14, 2006 12:12PM

<< chaz:

you're a commedian,no help , thanks for wasting your time reading this >>

Toppsguy--Anytime you put up a thread like this on these boards you have to brace yourself for a full frontal assault from the Sportscard Police. Just ignore it, and casually move about your business.

chaz43 · May 14, 2006 12:39PM

<< chaz:

you're a commedian,no help , thanks for wasting your time reading this >>

Your Welcome !!!!! chaz

Boopotts · May 14, 2006 12:41PM

<< 

<< chaz:

you're a commedian,no help , thanks for wasting your time reading this >>

Your Welcome !!!!! chaz >>

You still haven't explained what fabric softener has to do with anything.

WinPitcher · May 14, 2006 12:44PM

Boo

with all due respect i don't see where he was assaulted. he never claimed that he was going to sell the card after it had the wrinkle removed.

I simply asked "what happens when the wrinkle re appears and you made a remark about what i was insinuating. I was not insinuating anything really. Just adding that it was possible that the wrinkle could re appear.

other people here gave advice that it was best to simply leave it alone, one guy claimed that PSA friendly dealers use a spoon. I mentioned that GAI friendly dealers prefer the spork. I have no idea what chaz was saying as his post was too long for my attention span.

in any event my advice to the poster of this question is to leave the card as is. it is what it is. i will not compare soaking a card to removing wax etc.

Actually I thought that this guy got some good advice and the tone of the answers was pretty light.

JMO

Steve

edit: fabric softner.........the sheets? use them to rub off the wax?

only thing i can think of.

Boopotts · May 14, 2006 12:53PM

<< Boo

with all due respect i don't see where he was assaulted. he never claimed that he was going to sell the card after it had the wrinkle removed.

I simply asked "what happens when the wrinkle re appears and you made a remark about what i was insinuating. I was not insinuating anything really. Just adding that it was possible that the wrinkle could re appear.

other people here gave advice that it was best to simply leave it alone, one guy claimed that PSA friendly dealers use a spoon. I mentioned that GAI friendly dealers prefer the spork. I have no idea what chaz was saying as his post was too long for my attention span.

in any event my advice to the poster of this question is to leave the card as is. it is what it is. i will not compare soaking a card to removing wax etc.

Actually I thought that this guy got some good advice and the tone of the answers was pretty light.

JMO

Steve

edit: fabric softner.........the sheets? use them to rub off the wax?

only thing i can think of. >>

Hi Steve,

My comments were directed towards Chaz's cryptic little remarks-- not towards you.

I have no idea what the fabric softener bit is about, but then again this is Chaz we're talking about, so it could be anything.

chaz43 · May 15, 2006 9:44AM

<< 

<< 

<< chaz:

you're a commedian,no help , thanks for wasting your time reading this >>

Your Welcome !!!!! chaz >>

You still haven't explained what fabric softener has to do with anything. >>

Fabric softener has nothing to do with anything. Leave the damn card alone, it is what it is. chaz

DaBigHurt · May 15, 2006 9:54AM

If the card has a slight surface wrinkle, just submit it to BGS/SGC or GAI. Those clowns "across the street" are in such horrible financial shape, I heard from reliable sources that they can't even afford to replace burned out lightbulbs and are often grading in the dark. There's a good chance their graders will missing the slight surface wrinkles, damaged corners or creases.

chaz43 · May 15, 2006 12:09PM

<< If the card has a slight surface wrinkle, just submit it to BGS/SGC or GAI. Those clowns "across the street" are in such horrible financial shape, I heard from reliable sources that they can't even afford to replace burned out lightbulbs and are often grading in the dark. There's a good chance their graders will missing the slight surface wrinkles, damaged corners or creases.

>>

VERY FUNNY. YOU WANTED A REACTION DIDN'T YOU ???? I JUST TALKED TO THE GAI BOY'S AT THE FORT WASHINGTON SHOW AND THEY ARE BUSIER THAN EVER. IN FACT, I HAD TO WAIT IN LINE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER ONES (SGC WAS AT THE SHOW ALSO) BUT C'MON "DA BIG LIES AND SPREADING FALSE RUMORS" KEEP IT REAL. CHAZ

DaBigHurt · May 16, 2006 8:38AM

I heard their graders are "lights out."

Come on, admit it! That was funny!

GIMME FIVE!

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 16, 2006 9:31AM

Funny. Yeah GAI does grade some things incorrect.

Why remove the wrinkle? Send it to GEM, $5 says it will get a 10.

Ever So Light Surface Wrinkle, Curious What to do?

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