WOW !! End Roll ALERT !!! Look at this Morgan !!

Sandhawk

Bondman22 is at it again..........................

MadMarty

What is wrong with that Morgan? It's in PCGS plastic and like the Kool-aid drinkers say, PCGS is NEVER wrong!!!

jmj3esq

Sorry to get a little off topic here, but why does it seem like every time you see a monster toner like that one it always graded at least MS65 by PCGS. I think they overgrade these mosters. Just becasue it looks like a explosion dosnt mean that it is always MS65. I dont know how they grade those things anyway. The tone usually masks hairlines and other minor imperfections. Maybe that is the secret.

kryptonitecomics

<< <i>Sorry to get a little off topic here, but why does it seem like every time you see a monster toner like that one it always graded at least MS65 by PCGS. I think they overgrade these mosters. Just becasue it looks like a explosion dosnt mean that it is always MS65. I dont know how they grade those things anyway. The tone usually masks hairlines and other minor imperfections. Maybe that is the secret. >>



Not true and spoken like someone who has very little knowledge of the toned coin market. There are a lot more MS63-MS64 toners out there than the Gem grades as spending time in bags with other heavy coins beat up most morgans pretty well. From a liability standpoint grading services tend to undergrade toned morgans vs overgrade......just in case they are wrong about the toning or miss something in the grading process.....they limit the amount of money they pay out by undergrading.

Bondmans coin will not look like that in hand but even through the heavy saturation and contrast manipulation you can tell that coin is an NT end roller........just not a neon moose worth $6,000+

xbob

The pics look like they've also had some additional help from the Saturation slider in Photoshop.

dragon

I'm not sure what exactly that guy is smoking with those prices of his, but I'd like to try some of it


I think I recognize one of those Battle Creek dollars of his from a recent auction that sold for about 1/10th of his Ebay price.

jmj3esq

Sorry to offend you kryptonitecomics. I just think that deep toning like that can be distracting and can hide imperfections that would show on an otherwise blast white coin. Call my knowledge "little," but all I know is from what I see in the field. I am not "PCGS" or a member of the "Toned Coin Collectors Society." I just seems like more often than not a heavily toned coin is awarded a premium, a premium I dont think is warranted.

RedTiger

<< <i>Sorry to offend you kryptonitecomics. I just think that deep toning like that can be distracting and can hide imperfections that would show on an otherwise blast white coin. Call my knowledge "little," but all I know is from what I see in the field. I am not "PCGS" or a member of the "Toned Coin Collectors Society." I just seems like more often than not a heavily toned coin is awarded a premium, a premium I dont think is warranted. >>



In my experience, I see more toners that have been bumped up in grade by NGC. Toning can hide marks or make them less noticeable and that sometimes accounts for the bump up.

kryptonitecomics

I am not offended I just wanted to state a counter opinion based on looking at thousands of toners over the past year including every single BC toned morgan in the FUN auction this year. Coins can get a bump as far as eye appealing toning but if you talk to folks buying the BC's as an example.......more were undergraded than were overgraded.

Yes thick toning can hide defects.....that point cant be argued as that is the reasoning behind a lot of the coin doctors ATing coins......they aren't trying to gain eye appeal, but rather cover up flaws in most cases.

TorinoCobra71

That is one Toner, but way outta my price range.....

TorinoCobra71

relayer

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Baley

his pictures make me shake my head and his prices make me laugh!

Hadleydog

<< <i>In my experience, I see more toners that have been bumped up in grade by NGC. Toning can hide marks or make them less noticeable and that sometimes accounts for the bump up. >>


You used to hear that all the time, but not the case these days.
Toning might hide marks or make them harder to notice (especially if the toning occured after the marks), but under the magnification the graders use I doubt they miss anymore than usual.

1jester

That coin is fugly.

Well, the reverse is nice at least.

MikeInFL

<< <i>Sorry to offend you kryptonitecomics. I just think that deep toning like that can be distracting and can hide imperfections that would show on an otherwise blast white coin. Call my knowledge "little," but all I know is from what I see in the field. I am not "PCGS" or a member of the "Toned Coin Collectors Society." I just seems like more often than not a heavily toned coin is awarded a premium, a premium I dont think is warranted. >>



I disagree with you. PCGS seems to actually penalize darkly toned coins, particularly proofs that are original. Dip them or lightly envelope tone them and the grades seem to go through the roof. All IMHO...Mike

TONEDDOLLARS

It has been my experience that for every dark toned coin that you say is overgraded, I have seen
an equal amount that could (should) upgrade but the TPG is being conservative, just as Krypto.
stated. It is not fair to say every or all or most, because that is just not so.

TD