What does OGH mean?

KoinDawg

Usually seen in reference to Morgan dollars. OGH means what?

fc

old green holder.

as in the paper inside the holder is green to light green.
lower serial number.

often means the coin has been untouched for 10-20 years.

mozin

Old Green Holder

Numismanic

Old Green Holder.

TorinoCobra71

Old Green Holder - Some people think these may bring a premium when being sold because some think they are possible upgrade candidates.

TorinoCobra71

roadrunner

"OGH" is one of the search criteria I use on ebay among others. A year ago the chances of landing something were much better than today. Most every newbie on ebay seems to bite into the "OGH" cookie a bit too hard. While most forum members think that most if not all surviving early holders are picked over, I can assure you that it is not the case. You just have to get out and look for them. Often times these circulate among the smaller shows with no interest at any premium. Yet once at a national level show where they get more exposure, they do far better.

roadrunner

robertpr

Often times these circulate among the smaller shows with no interest at any premium. Yet once at a national level show where they get more exposure, they do far better.

Wouldn't that indicate that it is the experienced collectors, not the newbies, that are biting too hard into the OGH cookie?

oreville

<< <i>Wouldn't that indicate that it is the experienced collectors, not the newbies, that are biting too hard into the OGH cookie? >>



Or perhaps both?

Or even perhaps for a reason?

Sunnywood

A comment on old green-label holders:

As I have pointed out before on these boards, there is an incredible amount of cracking out & resubmitting that is constantly going on. From the time PCGS started using 8-digit certification numbers, it was amazing how quickly a high percentage of coins offered at retail and at auction had the 8-digit numbers. Given this phenomenon, there are two reasons why a coin may still be in an old green-label holder: either (a) the coin has been off the market for quite some time, and no-one has had the opportunity to crack it out yet to try for the ever-hoped-for upgrade; or (b) the coin is obviously NOT an upgrade candidate, and thus experienced crackheads (as I like to call them) know that there is a downside risk, i.e. a possible downgrade, or at least no possible upgrade.

Therefore, when looking at an OGH, remember these TWO possibilities: (a) possible upgrade because the coin has been off the market; or (b) NO WAY it will upgrade, and that's why it has been left alone in the OGH. In fact, arguably, some OGH coins are overgraded ... as even properly graded coins might have SOME chance of upgrade ... so if the crackheads left it alone, they might have felt there was little or NO chance, or that it was overgraded.

Gee, I guess I'm saying, if it is an OGH, it could be undergraded, properly graded, or overgraded !!! Not very insightful, if you look at it that way, is it? Pretty much a tautology ...

So better yet, instead of worrying your head about it, buy the coin, and not the holder !!!! (admittedly very difficult if you have Registry fever !!)

Sunnywood

roadrunner

AT local shows I am constantly amazed at the lack of attention that old holders get. For whatever the reason that's what I see. As a rule I think most of the traffic at local shows cannot distinguish high end coins from low end ones. Yet a few of the sharper dealers are always asking to look at those first when I have them. At larger shows and on ebay those usually get the most attention. At larger shows the attention is from those who can tell the difference. On ebay the attention is from both ends. When the coins are really nice, the knowledgeable collectors walk away with them. When OGH ebay coins have some obvious faults, the newbies "win" them.

roadrunner

DIMEMAN

Sunnywood,

I love it, you hit the nail square on the head. BUY THE COIN NOT THE HOLDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All this second guessing on what might be or not be. You can say the same thing about possibility a or b about any holder or any color insert of any holder. You are strickly playing with yourself when you try to figure out why a certain coin is in a certain holder.

For crying out loud, if the coin doesn't have the grade on the holder that you THINK it should................................

a) buy it or

b) don't


GET A ROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oreville

On the old black NGC holders I do not even care what the grades are on them. I just buy them.

With that approach, I have only been able to find 6 of them in the last 10 years! The owners do not want to part with them!!

Nearly the same with the PCGS Regency holders although I am a little more choosy. Give me those velvet PCGS baglets that come with the Regency holders then I get very easy to sell to!!

I wonder how many of those David Hall saved of them for his own collection?

Sometimes I do indeed buy the plastic and not the coin!

bgrice

As a Green Label Holder fan I would love to see the Charles Shultz II Walker Short Set that is 90% finished and all but 1 in those older holders bought from Larry Whitlow years ago. He also has the #1 Set in this category.

JSsson

Old Green Holder or old graded holder

relayer

It means the coin is acurately graded, but if YOU buy it and YOU resubmit it YOU'll make a bunch of money

Conder101

One comment. On eBay, and other places, you will see a lot of PCGS slabs called OGH that are actually the New Green Holders that were used from 1995 to late 1998. Ok at eight years they are starting to earn the name Old but there have been sellers calling them OGH slabs since 2000. The true OGH slabs often have their labels "faded" to different colors instead of the original green. The easiest way to tell for sure if it is an OGH or a NGH is to look at the serial number. On the OGH the font is larger and the serial number starts at or slightly to the left of theleft edge of the barcode. (like the one shown by numismaniac in this thread) On the NGH the font is smaller and the serial number start well to the right of the left edge of the barcode.

DennisH

I thought OGH meant Old Grading Hype.

BigTom

<< <i>A comment on old green-label holders:


....... when looking at an OGH, remember these TWO possibilities: (a) possible upgrade because the coin has been off the market; or (b) NO WAY it will upgrade, and that's why it has been left alone in the OGH. In fact, arguably, some OGH coins are overgraded ... as even properly graded coins might have SOME chance of upgrade ... so if the crackheads left it alone, they might have felt there was little or NO chance, or that it was overgraded..............


So better yet, instead of worrying your head about it, buy the coin, and not the holder !!!! (admittedly very difficult if you have Registry fever !!)

Sunnywood >>



The third possibility is it could be undergraded but the upgraded value isn't really worth the risk. I have 2 OGHs that I believe are undergraded by current standards. THe upgraded value for one is $100 more than the current holder, the other coin's upgraded value would be $300 more than the current holder. It's really not worth the risk/time/expense to resubmit either of these coins.

BigTom

I thought OGH's and rattlers were the same. Is there another OGH?

MrBreeze

How old are the PCGS holders with the perforated labels?

DaveG

Read this for your answer!

Conder101

<< <i>I thought OGH's and rattlers were the same. Is there another OGH? >>


Originally when people talked about "old holders" they meant just the rattlers. (This would have been during the 1995 to 98 era before the blue labeled holders came out.) Then after the blue label slabs began appearing the rattler were either called by that name or as "Old Green Holders" to differenciate them for the "newer green hoders that were not rattlers. (At that time it was not commonly known that the green label non-rattlers came as two types, 1990 -95 and 95-98.) As rattlers became scarcer and the blue labels more common, people began promoting the early green non-rattler holders as OGH. But since most people don't realize that there are two types, soom all pre-blue label holders are being pushed as "Old Green Label holders from back in the early years when they graded more conservitively" even though those "early years" may have been as recently as six months to a year before.

WaterSport

Condor, educate us on the history/difference/time period, etc of the “rattler” verses when the "OGH" came with a clear rubber gasket added, no doubt to stop the rattling. Were those green holders with the gasket issued after the first blue labels or before?

WS

Conder101

Watersport,

Follow the link in the response posted by DaveG (two posts before yours). It will take you to a thread showing about the first 17 PCGS holder varieties along with identification features and times of use for each variety. The ratters are PCGS 1, the "Old Green Holder" is PCGS 4, the "New Green Holder" is PCGS 5, and the first blue label holder is PCGS 6. Varieties PCGS 2, 2.5, 3, and 3.5 are all transitional varieties that used a rattler shell with a secondary plastic frame wrapped around it. With PCGS 4 you get the shell type they use today.