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Ripken F**k Face "Error" card ???

TripleCrownTripleCrown Posts: 145
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I have heard so many stories about this card being genuine or not, and about whether or not it was a true "error" card. I'm very surprised to see a graded version of it with "FF Error" right there in PSA's description. So does this confirm it being a real card, not a hoax, and a true error card?
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  • manofsteelemanofsteele Posts: 20
    I think that just confirms how psa chooses to designate it.





  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As far as I know, that card is a true error card. I thought so since 1989. Never heard an other stories about it being a fake.

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • TripleCrownTripleCrown Posts: 145
    Do you know then who was responsible for the "corrected" versions of it? I've seen it with the saying covered by a black box, and with it poorly airbrushed out. Was that Topps?
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  • manofsteelemanofsteele Posts: 20


    << <i>Was that FLEER? >>

    yes

    there is a "white out" version as well



  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Was that Topps? >>


    NO it is a FLEER card.


    Steve


    I have never thought of those cards being ERROR cards, but simply variations.
    Good for you.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Was that Topps? >>


    NO it is a FLEER card.


    Steve >>



    RIGHT!

    And as I know about it, the rubbed out version was FLEER's early correction before the sheet was corrected.

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • onlyanumberonlyanumber Posts: 2,433
    I'm the guy that actually bid on that card (and won it--and kicking myself that I didn't read the shipping charges first image )

    I always considered them variations, because there has to be 7-10 different variations on the card, including some whiteouts, I believe blue ink scribble, a 1/4 inch cut up the card etc.
    Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?

    Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12



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  • TripleCrownTripleCrown Posts: 145


    << <i>Do you know then who was responsible for the "corrected" versions of it? I've seen it with the saying covered by a black box, and with it poorly airbrushed out. Was that Topps? >>



    OOPS, Fleer it is (what a dumb ass huh?)

    I collect mostly Topps and I'm so used to typing it all the time, sorry
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  • TripleCrownTripleCrown Posts: 145


    << <i>I'm the guy that actually bid on that card (and won it--and kicking myself that I didn't read the shipping charges first image )

    OUCH on that shipping!!!!
    He better be hand delivering it image

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  • sandmanfromlvsandmanfromlv Posts: 432 ✭
    this guy is whack when it comes to shipping charges....I think he uses his magic 8 ball....almost all of his items (single cards) have different shipping charges....so far I have seen from $2.49 to 7.99....odd!
  • sandmanfromlvsandmanfromlv Posts: 432 ✭
    this is odd on one of his auctions (he did NOT sell it to the high bidder and received a negative)

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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Does anyone remember the error card craze in the late 80s to early 90s?

    Many people were very skeptical of the manufacturers at the time - the prevaling thought, if I remember, was that many thought they "purposely" created them to sell cards.

    I have only seen a few corrected cards - the FF is the original - missed by the editors - so in that sense it's an error - the first corrected copy was the "white out" and then the final copy was the "black box" which is probably a better "correction" on the print plate. I know nothing about this for sure.

    The vintage error cards are truly appreciated by collectors. I think most modern error cards went the way of Pogs and Beanie Babies?

    mike
    Mike
  • TripleCrownTripleCrown Posts: 145
    Error cards confuse me a little as to their "value". I would think them to be more valuable since they can be lower population cards and also because they are often unique. I have a few of myself ('69 Topps Mantle/name in yellow,'55 Bowman Milt Bolling/name on back Frank Bolling, '99 Donruss John Smoltz/Glavine pictured, to name a few) and think they're really cool !!!
    So was there a point in the modern collecting era when these cards became "black sheep", and frowned upon by collectors thus reducing their "value"?
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  • kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
    that sellers feedback score of 96.9% is pretty low.
    Running an Ebay store sure takes a lot more time than a person would think!
  • cardinarkycardinarky Posts: 88
    Way back in 1989/90 that Ripken card was selling for $20 raw. There was a huge craze to find the error card in every issue. In 1991 or so, the UD Ryan card was modified after he won his 300th game. The later version had a banner across the top corner. Of course there was the "regular" and the "error" and both were commanding HIGH DOLLARS. We were really NUTS at the height of this.
    The 1991 Frank Thomas UD, there was a question as to whether or not he was making an obscene jesture, it was the pose where he was sitting in the dughout and holding a bat. The question was what he was implying with his hand positioning on the bat.
    We were finding COMMIES on every block.
    It was the McCarthy Hearings of the card collectors hobby.
  • onlyanumberonlyanumber Posts: 2,433
    My favorite from the error craze of 1989






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    Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?

    Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12



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    Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
  • manofsteelemanofsteele Posts: 20


    << <i>the first corrected copy was the "white out" and then the final copy was the "black box" which is probably a better "correction" on the print plate. >>

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    and the only picture I can find of the white out version
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  • TripleCrownTripleCrown Posts: 145
    Manofsteel, That post was absolutely KILLER !!!! Thanks very much for putting up that scan with the side by side pictures. First time I've ever seen them all !!!
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanx Manofsteele

    That's the first time I have seen the "black scribble!"

    Error cards are cool - I just don't get caught up in the hype over value anymore.

    Thanx
    mike
    Mike
  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    I believe from a previous thread, it was reported that there are actually closer to a dozen variations of the Ripken card.

    Fleer had a field day with the variations in 1989... Randy Johnson has at least 5 or 6 different variations also, they blacked out that billboard in many stages with several different color variations on his cards.
  • RedHeart54RedHeart54 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭
    As I recall there were even two versions of the "scribble" variation: one with a "loop" (on the left side of the "scribble"); one without. There were several variations of the "cut" versions but I think several were proved to be faked.

    Man, that was the error of the decade- if not of all time. It started selling for $100-150 when first discovered and packs were, what, $5 or $6 apiece for a while? That and the UD Murphy error more or less defined card collecting in 1989.
  • onlychildonlychild Posts: 312 ✭
    Every colection needs one. It's a must.

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    I have seen all versions except for the white box. The toughest of them all.
  • onlyanumberonlyanumber Posts: 2,433
    Someone keyed in on it earlier--there are so many variations it's not even funny--I believe the whiteout box has a large and small version, as does the blackout box.
    Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?

    Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12



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    Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
  • 1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590
    See my ebay groups for some info or contact me
    ebay groups-1989 Fleer Bill Ripken or 1989 Fleer Bill Ripken 2
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  • 1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590
    Tried to add more but I guess too big
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  • HoofHeartedHoofHearted Posts: 2,537 ✭✭


    << <i>My favorite from the error craze of 1989

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    All right! I've never seen or heard of this correction before! I've got to see if I happen to have either one.

    Always a fun thread talking about the errors and corrections over the years. I always seem to find another new one...

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  • 1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590


    << <i>As I recall there were even two versions of the "scribble" variation: one with a "loop" (on the left side of the "scribble"); one without. There were several variations of the "cut" versions but I think several were proved to be faked.

    The black scribble has over 3 versions made. I only mention 3 as I need the others still. Loop, Loop Lite(airbrushed off) and Line or F showing.
    Saw Cuts were made in over 5 versions. FF,Loop,Line,Double Die,Airbrush and others that I still need. Yes easily faked. I have airbrush and FF on top of unopened rack. Beckett mentioned/Pictured some saw cut versions in past but they are easily replicated so value is minimal unless found showing on unopened material. And left unopened. No reputable company grades FF saw cuts except for GAI (Global) I have a extra if anyones interested. There is another version that can easily be replicated and if found on unopened material Do NOt Open it as my 3 year old could make one. Honestly. You will know what it is if you ever see one. I only have seen pics. Sorry I will not share as I dont want to see 100 on ebay tomorrow. I want to buy a real one.
    White Box- ?? Myth or real. Heard from many different sources including in mags its real but no one has one or a picture. I found white box looking card from ad in 1990 and got to know owner of ad and he said it was a FF card that was censored by mag.
    You can keep the Griffey save the Billy for me-Donovan













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  • JESSEJAMESJESSEJAMES Posts: 124
    I dont beleive that the white out version exists... i have never seen one in my 20 years of collecting,.
    Always collecting vintage basketball and any ABA memorabilia.
  • 1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590


    << <i>I dont beleive that the white out version exists... i have never seen one in my 20 years of collecting,. >>



    Some agree with you. I have talked to two collectors who say they have showing on unopened cello. Pic not avail as it was not clear they say. Heard only avail. in cello. Id only buy if in the almost tamperproof rack pack. I have attatched a pic from PSA a few posts up. I also have another PSA whiteout pic as well as a BGS copy. Heard a few rumors of how it was made but nothing solid. Heard only 1 or 2 sheets were printed of them. I think they do exist as there are many other rare versions that exist but rarely seen. Fleer had printing done at a print shop in Colorado and it is unknown to me what versions came from where. The scribbles were apparently caused by employees scratching plate until it was ruined then they created new plate for the Black Box. There are at least 2 versions of Black Box as well. What a adventure this card has been.
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  • NewJerseyMeatHookNewJerseyMeatHook Posts: 1,441
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    I listed this one not too long ago . . .
  • onlyanumberonlyanumber Posts: 2,433
    Just found a whiteout PSA 9 on the Bay Closing price was amazing!!!

    billy white out


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    Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?

    Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12



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    Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,129 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My favorite from the error craze of 1989






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    So are those the errors, the corrected versions, one of each, or what? I'm not familiar with this particular error...

    Tabe
  • JESSEJAMESJESSEJAMES Posts: 124
    The incorrect one is an "error" the corrected version is considered a "corrected error card".

    So much for my theory about there being no white-out version. I DO remember an ad a few years back that there was about ten different versions (in SCD I think). I was always skepticle about there being that many. This sounds like a pure attempt by Fleer to make more money by producing that many versions. I mean, what was the point? They should have blacked it out and that would have been good enough, right? Or change the photo!
    Always collecting vintage basketball and any ABA memorabilia.
  • onlyanumberonlyanumber Posts: 2,433


    << <i>

    << <i>My favorite from the error craze of 1989






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    So are those the errors, the corrected versions, one of each, or what? I'm not familiar with this particular error...

    Tabe >>



    The one on the left with the infielder crotch grabbing is considered the 'error'. Score got embarrassed and (wanting to join the error craze and sell more cards) blocked out the arm on the infielder. The corrected version I think is about as common as the 'error'

    On a side note--I know of Topps/UD/Fleer and Score errors from 1989. Are there any Donruss errors? Or was Donruss actually clean that year?
    Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?

    Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12



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    Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
  • rmossrmoss Posts: 644
    The White Out was the only one I didn't own. I wouldn't pay the price in '89 for it. Wish now I had went ahead and bought it. Never really got into error cards although I have a complete set of '82 Donruss with the 6 or 8 error cards and the corrections.
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    Learning to post pics. Hope this works.image
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  • ColleSystemColleSystem Posts: 512 ✭✭
    The error card craze was the precursor to todays modern insert cards.

    -Scott
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    1977 Topps Star Wars - "Space Swashbucklers"
  • rmossrmoss Posts: 644
    If I remember correctly, wasn't there supposed to have been 2 versions of the black scribble card. One had a loop or some such variation on it. I only managed 3 of the different cards. I have the FF, the black scribble, and the black box. never could find a white out. This was in '89.

    Edited to add: In an earlier post on this same thread, I said I wouldn't pay the price in '89 for the card. In this post I said I couldn't find one. Whatever the case I never got one of the whiteout cards.
    "Im not young enough to know everything."
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  • 1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590


    << <i>If I remember correctly, wasn't there supposed to have been 2 versions of the black scribble card. One had a loop or some such variation on it. I only managed 3 of the different cards. I have the FF, the black scribble, and the black box. never could find a white out. This was in '89.

    Edited to add: In an earlier post on this same thread, I said I wouldn't pay the price in '89 for the card. In this post I said I couldn't find one. Whatever the case I never got one of the whiteout cards. >>



    I tried to post on page but I kept getting that red square. These pics should help some.
    Donovan

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  • rmossrmoss Posts: 644
    I never realized there were so many of them. Thanks for the time it took to dig these up and post them.

    Ron




    << <i>

    << <i>If I remember correctly, wasn't there supposed to have been 2 versions of the black scribble card. One had a loop or some such variation on it. I only managed 3 of the different cards. I have the FF, the black scribble, and the black box. never could find a white out. This was in '89.

    Edited to add: In an earlier post on this same thread, I said I wouldn't pay the price in '89 for the card. In this post I said I couldn't find one. Whatever the case I never got one of the whiteout cards. >>



    I tried to post on page but I kept getting that red square. These pics should help some.
    Donovan >>

    "Im not young enough to know everything."
    Oscar Wilde

    Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.

    Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
  • FYSFYS Posts: 194 ✭


    << <i>As far as I know, that card is a true error card. I thought so since 1989. Never heard an other stories about it being a fake. >>



    It is real. I personally openend a couple of FF cards from was packs in 89.
  • bsavagebsavage Posts: 204 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If I remember correctly, wasn't there supposed to have been 2 versions of the black scribble card. One had a loop or some such variation on it. I only managed 3 of the different cards. I have the FF, the black scribble, and the black box. never could find a white out. This was in '89.

    Edited to add: In an earlier post on this same thread, I said I wouldn't pay the price in '89 for the card. In this post I said I couldn't find one. Whatever the case I never got one of the whiteout cards. >>



    I tried to post on page but I kept getting that red square. These pics should help some.
    Donovan >>



    So, other than saw cuts, are all of the variations in the picture you posted or are there more?
  • 1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590


    << <i>

    << <i>

    So, other than saw cuts, are all of the variations in the picture you posted or are there more? >>



    Theres more.
    Some unconfirmed, if even legit versions or maybe just a printing or ink flaw. Then there are others that I do not have in hand yet. I do not mention these as I do not want any more competition. Plus some of the unconfirmed not in hand versions can easily be replicated so my mention of them would result in 20+ fakes pop up on ebay tomorrow.
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  • sagardsagard Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭
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    Just an inline view of the scan you showed.
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