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PSA to Grade Red Man cards without tabs

tkd7tkd7 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭
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<< <i>PSA has decided to authenticate and grade cards that contain removed coupons or tabs, such as the Red Man Tobacco series from the 1950’s, under the PSA Hand-Cut grading standards. >>



Just curious on how people think this will affect the pricing of Red Man cards.

I can't imagine the grades on hand cut cards being very good.

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  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    I sure hope the pop reports don't get mucked up by this.

    I know someone who has or had mint sets even with the tabs cut. As far as pricing, I could see this being
    good for red man cards overall.

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  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    What other issues are affected by this? Zee-Nuts and Fleischmann's are the first two that come to my head...
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  • tkd7tkd7 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭
    I guess you resubmit all your "evidence of trimming" cards for PSA 10 Hand Cut grades.
  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Personally, I'm happy to hear this. I love the Red Man sets, and I don't really care if they have tabs or not. I like the images, and the tabs don't really add to those.
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    Were the older Kahn's sets issued with tabs, or was that just a white-background portion of the card?

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  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    No tabs on Kahn's cards

    I have noticed a lax in standards on hand-cut cards at PSA lately. I have seen Bazooka cards & panels with missing border dashes getting grades other than authentic. I have seen Post cereal and Jello cards also get grades without having the black border on all sides. Handcut cards are part of the hobby, but I have a problem when they are not comparing apples to apples. There is a huge difference between a Bazooka card with missing dashes versus one with all the dashes.

    As for the Red Man cards with the missing tab, to me, they are equivalent to the Bazooka's, Post's, Jello's and any other handcuts which are missing any portion of the border... they should not qualify for any grade other than Authentic, as that is all that they are.
  • Mac53Mac53 Posts: 805 ✭


    << <i>I love the Red Man sets, and I don't really care if they have tabs or not. I like the images, and the tabs don't really add to those. >>


    This is a good point. I love the images, too; the art is really neat. The tabs vs. non-tabs are an issue of rarity, and maybe doesn't have anything to do with value as far as how they look. I might be able to complete full sets of the non-tabbed cards in high grade now.
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  • RobesonRobeson Posts: 272
    I feel there is room in the hobby for both. There are collectors such as myself who would love to build a mint 1952 Redman set, but are a few thousand dollars short of even building a start. I would love to be able to buy the cards without tabs, just because I love the pics. There are so many beautiful Redmans out there without a slab, give them a home. Anything that encourages people to buy cards is good for the hobby and good for the value of all cards.
  • tkd7tkd7 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭
    I think for Red Man cards especially, it will work to increase the value of both varieties. The more cards in slabs, the more interest in the set, the more likely a collector is to start with hand cut cards and switch to as issued cards. As a current Red Man collector, it should be a boost (except for those cards I'm still searching out).

    It should especially have an impact on the stars. I'm picturing a boatload of '52 Williams coming out of the closet for grading.

    From PSA's standpoint, the more cards they grade, the more income.

    My only request is that PSA does it right and has holders that are sized to the cut card. If the cards are slabbed in a mylar sleeve, I think that will reduce their popularity.
  • RedHeart54RedHeart54 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if it's conceivable that a slabbed high-grade non-tab card could bring as much if not more than the same slabbed low-grade tabbed card. Would that mean people might be taking the shears to such tabbed cards 50+ years later?

    Personally I think if PSA is going to slab them, they should just mark them "authentic- no tab" or something. What's next? Grading perforated 1980 Topps basketball?
  • RedHeart54RedHeart54 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭
    It's official.

    - November 9, 2005
    PSA has decided to authenticate and grade cards that exhibit removed coupons or tabs, such as the Red Man Tobacco series from the 1950’s, under the PSA Hand-Cut grading standards.

    For example, if a 1952 Red Man Tobacco card is cut at or outside of the established tab line, the card is eligible to receive a numerical grade. On the other hand, if the 1952 Red Man Tobacco card is cut inside of the line (the line where the tab meets the interior of the card), then the PSA graders will be precluded from entering a numerical grade. Cards that are cut within the limits established for a particular issue will be encapsulated and designated as “authentic” by PSA.

    All of the cards eligible for this service will be designated as “Hand-Cut” on the PSA label to distinguish them from the intact, with tab or with coupon examples.


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