1982 Topps "blackless"

Twinsthreepeat

Hello,
I know that this topic has been dicussed before but I can't recall what sheets were included and which sheets are the most difficult to find?
Thanks,
Jason

gosteelers

I saw this, too, in this month's SMR. I never heard of these before, what's the difference between these and the regular issue?

Mark

RedHeart54

<< <i>I saw this, too, in this month's SMR. I never heard of these before, what's the difference between these and the regular issue? >>



If I recall, the "blackless" version does not have the facsimlie autograph on the front.

bobsbbcards

Sheets A, B, and C were printed with no (or very little) black ink. It was rumored that Sheet C was more difficult to find, but with the recent influx of sheet C cards into the market, that's now a bit more debateable. Sheets A and B were primarily found on the east coast (NY) and Sheet C cards were primarily found in Michigan.

Difference between the "Blackless" cards and normal '82 Topps is simple. Fronts of blackless cards have no black ink. For all of the cards, that means no facsimile autograph and no black line surrounding the photograph. On others (like the McBride shown below), the position is also blank.

mcholke

I just noticed that PSA has listed Blackless cards in the 1982 population report. I have sent in two different Blackless cards and requested they be labled as such and neither came back with the "blackless" label. Is anyone aware of any player sets with Blackless cards included in addition to the regular 1982 Topps cards? I have several mislabled cards from various PSA submissions that I think I will send in and include the blackless cards and see if they will change the labels.

Skinpinch

Too bad Topps didn't do all their '82 cards 'blackless', as I think they look better without the fake autograph getting in the way of the picture. Maybe it is just me, but without the Henderson autograph in the way, that shot looks so much better. That is an all-time classic baseball card shot in my opinion.

pandrews

I'd like to have a Henderson..

onlychild

pandrews

onlychild

I believe PSA has on occasion labeled the 82 Topps blackless as blackless but not all the time. For my personal collection I choose another grading company for oddball and test cards. I just wanted them protected and properly labeled, the grade was of little concern. Shown here are some bad scans of an 82 Topps Blackless and 1990 Donruss Aqueous Test.



I just couldn't pass up the Blackless version of a player whose name I share!

Kevin

bishop

You could probably convince Bob to give you his Henderson.

bishop

Bob and I both thought we had a complete set, but now one seller claims there are two "variations" in this variation set.

EdwardTeach

i Have some cards from then 1982 I should check. I have nt heard of this yet.

bobsbbcards

<< <i>Bob and I both thought we had a complete set, but now one seller claims there are two "variations" in this variation set. >>


...and one's on eBay as we speak...er, type.

bishop

pandrews

<< <i>You could probably convince Bob to give you his Henderson. >>



heh.. i'd be interested in hearing a price if anybody has an extra..

bishop

Sorry about that. I was going to say that # 2 ( Ken Forsch )will soon follow; no doubt at a similar reserve. The 3 1980 Yellows the same seller has up are tough ones too. The Stanley is the better know, but these are just as tough.

A761506

I took a look at the blackless variation being offered on eBay, but I have to disagree with seller's assessment of it as a variation. I think it is nothing more than a print registration problem or a factor print smudge. I have owned blackless cards that have had a faint blackish line appearing across the top edge of the player photo, but would not consider that any sort of variation. On top of that, how many blackless Dan Spillner cards are there to even compare to determine such a variation? Obviously, the seller owns at least 2, but that's certainly not enough to form any sort of conclusion. I would think that in order for it to be considered a true variation, someone would need to be sight multiple examples of the variation. In my opinion, the card being sold for $195 is worth the same as the one being sold for $25.

What do you think Al and Bob?

bobsbbcards

<< <i>What do you think Al and Bob? >>


Ditto what you said.

Twinsthreepeat

Thanks everyone for your input. I saw the one on ebay this morning and it got me thinking about this set. I agree with Josh and Bob that it shouldn't be considered a seperate var.

Bob could you pm or email me a list of the cards in the set. I have a 82 set, just feelin lazy about looking at the backs of all those cards.

Thanks,
Jason

A761506

If you're going to search your set for them, might as well just go through it in order because the cards from sheets A, B & C are not in any sort of numerical order. Just look for the black border around the outer edge of the player picture and you'll be able to breeze right through them.

Twinsthreepeat

Josh,
I wasn't going to search my set for them, I know that I don't have any. I was looking for alist of cards that are on the A, B, C sheets.

OT- Picked up a couple of ven's from dave tonight. Looks like he got new stock.
Jason

onlychild

The 1982 Topps seem to be full of print errors. Look at this one with no name or position:

bishop

Josh

I agree they are not true variations, just print defects ( as are all the Blackless cards); but to my way of thinking, that is true of my Herrer and Bakep "variations" as well....and the 80 Yellows. I do not think any of these were errors Topps interntionaly corrected in latter runs, like the 59 option/traded cards or the 52 Sain/Page. But, since they have been listed as variations, there is a market for them. Maybe the seller is just ahead of his time. ( light years maybe) . Maybe it just depends on your definition of a variation, as opposed to an error. A subject for another day, I guess.

Al

bobsbbcards

8 RICH DAUER B
9 RON GUIDRY A
10 RON GUIDRY IA B
11 GARY ALEXANDER C
12 MOOSE HAAS A
13 LAMAR JOHNSON B
14 STEVE HOWE A
17 DARRELL EVANS B
18 FERNANDO ARROYO B
20 GARRY MADDUX A
24 DAVE FROST C
26 JORGE ORTA C
28 JOHN URREA C
31 TOM SEAVER IA A
35 WILLIE AIKENS A
37 DAN GRAHAM C
38 CHARLIE LEA B
39 LOU WHITAKER C
40 DAVE PARKER A
42 RICK SOFIELD C
48 BOBBY CASTILLO C
49 ALVIN WOODS B
50 BUDDY BELL A
52 LARRY ANDERSON C
54 RON HASSEY A
55 RICK BURLESON A
60 TONY ARMAS A
64 LYNN JONES C
65 TERRY KENNEDY A
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68 ROY HOWELL C
70 TIM RAINES B
71 ROY LEE JACKSON A
72 RICH AUERBACH C
73 BUDDY SOLOMON C
74 BOB CLARK C
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80 JIM PALMER B
81 JIM PALMER IA C
84 RENNIE STENNETT A
87 MATT KEOUGH B
88 BIFF POCOROBA C
89 STEVE HENDERSON B
90 NOLAN RYAN B
91 CARNEY LANSFORD A
92 BRAD HAVENS B
94 ANDY HASSLER C
95 OZZIE SMITH A
98 TERRY BULLING C
99 BARRY BONNELL B
100 MIKE SCHMIDT A
101 MIKE SCHMIDT IA C
105 KIRK GIBSON A
107 WAYNE KRENCHICKI C
109 DAVE REVERING B
110 CARLTON FISK A
112 BILLY SAMPLE A
113 STEVE MCCATTY B
114 KEN LANDREAUX B
115 GAYLORD PERRY B
116 JIM WOHLFORD C
117 RAWLY EASTWICK C
119 JOE PITTMAN C
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122 JAIMIE EASTERLEY C
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125 DANNY AINGE B
127 LONNIE SMITH A
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132 LEE MAY C
134 DAN FORD C
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136 LENN SAKATA B
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138 TONY PENA C
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143 MOOKIE WILSON A
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150 TED SIMMONS B
155 OTTO VELEZ A
157 STEVE CRAWFORD B
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159 LARRY BIITTNER C
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170 JIM BIBBY A
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178 DYAR MILLER B
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181 SILVIO MARTINEZ B
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185 PHIL NIEKRO B
189 GLENN HOFFMAN B
190 JR RICHARD A
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204 GARY ROENICKE B
209 GARY LAVELLE A
210 KEITH HERNANDEZ B
211 DAN PETRY C
212 MARIO MENDOZA A
215 MIKE KRUKOW B
220 MANNY TRILLO B
221 JIM SLATON B
222 BUTCH WYNEGAR A
223 LLYOD MOSEBY A
224 BRUCE BOCHTE A
225 MIKE TOREZ C
228 SAM MEJIAS B
230 WILLIE WILSON A
232 TERRY CROWLEY B
233 DUANE KUIPER A
234 RON HODGES B
235 MIKE EASLER A
237 RUSTY KUNTZ B
238 KEVIN SAUCIER A
239 JON MATLACK B
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241 BUCKY DENT IA B
245 KEN REITZ B
247 PEDRO GUERRERO A
251 FRED LYNN B
255 TONY PEREZ B
256 TONY PEREZ IA C
257 LARRY HARLOW B
258 BO DIAZ B
259 RODNEY SCOTT A
260 BRUCE SUTTER A
262 DOUG BAIR C
264 DAN QUISENBERRY B
265 AL BUMBRY B
267 KURT BEVACQUA C
270 RUSTY STAUB A
272 BUMP WILLS B
275 BOB WATSON C
278 JOHN LITTLEFIELD B
280 BEN OGLIVIE C
281 JOHN VERHOEVEN B
282 KEN MACHA C
283 BRIAN ALLARD C
285 SPARKY LYLE A
287 ALAN BANNISTER B
288 GARY TEMPLETON C
289 BOB STANLEY B
290 KEN SINGLETON A
297 CLINT HURDLE C
299 STEVE TROUT A
300 REGGIE JACKSON A
302 DOUG FLYNN C
305 DON SUTTON B
307 RANDY BASS C
308 CHARLIE MOORE A
310 MIKE HARGROVE B
312 LENNY RANDLE B
313 JOHN HARRIS C
315 BURT HOOTON A
317 DICK RUTHVEN A
323 BILL LEE B
324 STEVE DILLARD C
325 JOSE CRUZ B
328 ED FARMER A
329 UL WASHINGTON A
330 RICK WISE C
332 DON ROBINSON A
334 AUREILIO RODRIGUEZ B
335 JIM SUNBERG B
339 MIKE SCHMIDT ALL STAR A
340 DAVE CONCEPCION ALL STAR A
341 ANDRE DAWSON ALL STAR A
342 GEORGE FOSTER ALL STAR A
343 DAVE PARKER ALL STAR A
344 GARY CARTER ALL STAR C
345 FERNANDO VALENZUELA ALL STAR C
349 GEORGE FRAZIER C
352 DICK DAVIS C
354 ROBERTO RAMOS C
355 DWIGHT EVANS A
357 BUTCH HOBSON A
359 JIM DWYER B
360 LEN BARKER C
363 BOB MOLINARO C
365 BILL MADLOCK A
370 MIKE NORRIS A
380 DAVE STIEB A
382 JOE SIMPSON C
385 KEN FORSCH A
387 TOM VERYZER A
388 JOE RUDI A
390 EDDIE MURRAY C
397 KEN BRETT C
398 MIKE SQUIRES C
399 PAT ZACHRY A
400 JOHNNY BENCH C
406 AL HOLLAND C
409 DON COOPER B
412 LUIS LEAL A
413 DAN MEYER C
415 DON BAYLOR C
417 PAT KELLY B
419 STEVE STONE B
420 GEORGE HENDRICK A
421 MARK CLEAR C
422 CLIFF JOHNSON A
423 STAN PAPI C
424 BRUCE BENEDICT A
425 JOHN CANDELARIA B
430 VIDA BLUE B
440 JEFF BURROUGHS A
442 BRUCE KISON C
443 MARK WAGNER C
445 LARRY PARISH B
446 WAYNE GARLAND B
448 DARRELL PORTER IA C
450 JACK MORRIS C
451 ED MILLER C
459 BRUCE BERENYI B
460 JACK CLARK C
461 RICH DOTSON A
462 DAVE CHALK C
463 JIM KERN B
464 JAUN BONILLA B
465 LEE MAZZILLI A
467 MICKEY HATCHER C
468 FLOYD BANNISTER C
472 OSCAR GAMBLE A
475 ALAN TRAMMELL C
476 BRIAN KINGMAN A
477 STEVE YEAGER B
480 STEVE CARLTON B
481 STEVE CARLTON IA C
484 IVAN DEJESUS C
490 DENNIS ECKERSLEY B
492 JOE PRICE B
493 CHET LEMON A
494 HUBIE BROOKS A
495 DENNIS LEONARD A
496 JOHNNY GRUBB A
498 DAVE BERGMAN C
499 PAUL MIRABELLA A
500 ROD CAREW A
501 ROD CAREW IA B
503 JULIO GONZALEZ C
507 TERRY HARPER B
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511 RUPPERT JONES A
512 JERRY DYBZINSKI B
515 LARRY BOWA B
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520 MIKE FLANAGAN C
521 BILL ALMON C
523 GARY GRAY C
524 TOM HAUSMAN C
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534 DAVE MCCAY B
536 RAFEAL RAMIREZ B
540 ANDRE DAWSON B
541 BARRY EVANS B
542 NED YOST C
543 BILL ROBINSON C
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548 WILLIE RANDOLPH ALL STAR C
549 GEORGE BRETT ALL STAR C
550 BUCKY DENT ALL STAR C
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552 KEN SINGLETON ALL STAR A
553 DAVE WINFIELD ALL STAR A
554 CARLTON FISK ALL STAR A
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567 BOB BABCORK C
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573 RICK WAITS C
574 MIKE RAMSEY B
575 AL COWENS C
579 RICK MAHLER C
580 BOBBY BONDS B
581 RON REED B
582 LUIS PUJOLS B
585 ROLLIE FINGERS C
588 DALE BERRA B
590 AL OLIVER B
594 RENIE MARTIN C
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601 SID MONGE B
602 FREDDIE PATEK B
603 RICHIE HEBNER C
608 JERRY ROYSTER B
610 RICKEY HENDERSON C
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612 GARY WARD B
613 JIM GANTNER A
615 BOB BOONE A
616 BOB BOONE IA C
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625 HAL MCRAE A
626 RANDY JONES A
627 ENOS CABELL B
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632 BRYAN CLARK C
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637 RICK CAMP C
640 CESAR CEDENO B
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649 KEN CLAY C
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656 EDDIE WHITSON B
661 DAVE CONCEPCION IA C
663 HECTOR CRUZ C
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665 JIM CLANCY C
668 DALE MURPHY B
669 LARRY MILBOURNE B
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672 BOB KNEPPER A
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677 ALFREDO GRIFFIN C
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695 WARREN CROMARTIE C
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713 DEL UNSER B
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738 DAVE ENGLE B
739 JOEY MCLAUGHLIN A
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742 DICK DRAGO C
743 JOHN STEARNS B
745 BAKE MCBRIDE C
747 JOHN LOWENSTEIN B
748 MARC HILL B
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754 JOE MORGAN A
757 TOM UNDERWOOD B
760 BILL BUCKNER C
761 DAVE SMITH B
764 STEVE SWISHER B
765 GORMAN THOMAS A
767 ROY SMALLEY C
768 JERRY GARVIN A
769 RICHIE ZISK A
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775 BOB FORSCH A
776 MARK BELANGER C
777 TOM GRIFFIN B
778 KEVIN HICKEY A
780 PETE ROSE A
781 PETE ROSE IA A
782 FRANK TAVERAS A
784 MILT WILCOX C
788 WOODIE FRYMAN A
790 LARRY GURA A
792 FRANK TANANA C

CDsNuts

What's the story on the 1990 Donruss Aqueous test set?

Lee

bobsbbcards

1990 Donruss Aqueous

Twinsthreepeat

Bob,
Thanks,
For posting a list. I looked at my Splinner card in my 82 set (Not Blackless) it has the same double printed apperance.

Does this mean I have the super ultra rare Blackless, then reprinted with black double print!!! j/k

I see that he also listed some 1980 Topps Yellow Name cards. I have the Stanley, but never heard about the others. how many 1980 yellow name cards are there?

mikeschmidt

<< <i>

I see that he also listed some 1980 Topps Yellow Name cards. I have the Stanley, but never heard about the others. how many 1980 yellow name cards are there? >>



I thought that there were three.

Twinsthreepeat

MS
Here is a link to this sellers auctions he has three listed. Plus the stanley makes four.
1980 topps var.

CDsNuts

Wow, this guy must have had an orgasm in 1989 when they fixed the Bill Ripken card using 50 different variations.

Lee

Stingray

Is this the same seller that was selling 78s variations with the red stiching on the ball, that has the position in it? He shows a blown up picture of each card showing the difference, I think it is just the way the cards were printed and not a variation.


Stingray

julen23

I collect 1969 Topps and don't think that Sparky Lyle card is a recognized error card.

That looks like a PD more than anything else...

Julen

RipublicaninMass

most of his cards would qualify as print defects rather than error cards IMHO!

RemynSkyler

bishop

Several blackless lots of C cards are up on e bay now

bishop

Aso, the 80 yellows were mentioned in this thread. I have been able to find 4 yellows in the 80 set...Stanley(387), Wathan ( 547), Braun ( 9) and Poquette, ( 597) plus one no name...Pryor (164). I have been told by the person I bought my Stanley from that McEnaney ( 563) can also be found in yellow, but have not seen it

Stingray

Perez variations.

rbeaton

<< <i>Several blackless lots of C cards are up on e bay now >>

I notice that the seller is not telling you exactly which cards you will be getting. You get the one card pictured plus 9 others of their choosing.

Robert

bishop

I can say I have bought C cards from this seller myself without problem. In fact, he was the key for me completing the set. But I gave him a list of what I needed. Another seller, zenithium, was recently offfering lots of 50 B and C cards for $ 895. I assume the only people interested in such lots would be those wanting to get started on a set

saucywombat

Wondering if anyone knows of this as being a true variation (2nd p in "Topps" filled in) or perhaps if its just a false image caused by the software processing the scanned image? Saw this on a current Ebay auction.