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I had a 45.70 Government back in the 1950's

lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720 ✭
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Real big cartridge as I remember. Don't remember if it was a Henry or Model 1886 Winchester.
I let this seller know what the 45.70 Govt counterstamp is probably about.

Ray

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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,779 ✭✭✭✭
    Good lord, it's an elephant gun!
    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    .45 caliber, 70 grains of black powder.
  • BigAlanBigAlan Posts: 311 ✭
    Good lord, it's an elephant gun!


    Elephant gun: .600 nitro express

    "It is good for the state that the people do not think."

    Adolf Hitler
  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    Or..... .460 Weatherby. Hold on, let me put a coin in this post.....

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  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    im gonna take a wild azz guess !

    that coin was a counter balance for a powder scale to weigh 70 grains of powder !

    Proof
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  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭


    << <i>im gonna take a wild azz guess !

    that coin was a counter balance for a powder scale to weigh 70 grains of powder !

    Proof >>



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  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    after some minor research,i would like the true weight of that coin !
    should be 96.45 grains plus or minus 1.5 as minted.
    biggest load i could find was 60 grains,but i suspect that was smokeless powder,not black powder.
    all gun nuts are free to chime in !
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  • DabigkahunaDabigkahuna Posts: 3,419


    I have a govt. 45/70 Marlin. Big Bullet! They also made .45's with over 100 grains of black powder, .45/100 is the biggest I've seen and that was in in an old Springfield Trapdoor. The early cases were made of tin, I think, and would expand to much in the chamber causing jams. Custer and his troops had a lot of these. Later the cases were made of brass and that took care of the problem.

    All I could find on the 1875-CC 20c Liberty was that it weighed 5 grams and had a mintage of 133,000.



    Larry
    Dabigkahuna
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Had a friend who's wife was living in the bush of Alaska - she killed a prowling bear with the 45.70. Not much good at long range, close up, look out! image Interesting counterstamp.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    There is a company called Century Arms that makes (or used to make) a 45.70 pistol. When you pick the thing up it feels like you need a set of wheels under it. I've never fired one, but a friend that has says it almost takes your arm off.
    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Had a friend who's wife was living in the bush of Alaska - she killed a prowling bear with the 45.70. >>



    It would take one of those 'Alaskan women' to be able to fire this gun !!

    Paul
    My Ebay Coin Store
  • BubbleheadBubblehead Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭
    Redbook sez coin weighs 6.25 grams.

    How many grains in a gram?image
  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    15.432356
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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If that coin was worn down to 4.54 grams, it would be correct for a 45-70 powder charge.

    If not, it was more powerful, but since you can't put "too much" powder in a black powder gun, it doesn't really matter. It would just make the charges uniform if they lacked a proper weight.

  • weresteveweresteve Posts: 1,224 ✭


    << <i>Good lord, it's an elephant gun! >>



    No relation to this ...

    Henry Big Boy

    Steve
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  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    and oldnewbie thought i was nuts !

    course i am,but thats a topic for the OF !
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  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    seems the 45-70 was a rimfire ?
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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45-70 GOVT is a big bore gun but is relative weakling compared to the smaller calibre magnums.

    I would not want to get hit by one but it would NOT be my preferred calibre against a grizzly bear. I have a 338 Win Mag and a 300 Rem Ultra Mag that I would rather use. The saying speed kills is very true. A 45-70 will push a 405 grain bullet at 1330 feet per second generating 1600 foot pounds of energy, while a 338 will push a 250 grain bullet at 2660 feet per second generating over 3900 foot pounds of energy.

    Just to put in comparison, many 22 calibre rimfires are just as fast as a 45-70. It is mostly just a good calibre to use to punch holes in things.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    In the Navy, we used a sawed-off .45-70 as a line throwing gun. To replenish stores and fuel at sea, a messenger line (a dart tied to a large spool of thin, braided, nylon line) was fired to the supply ship, then tied to the span wire on the supply ship, and then used to pull the span wire back to the receiving ship. Once the span wire was in place, all sorts of stuff (ammo, fuel, movies, mail, spare parts, people) could be sent back and forth.
  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    easier to hit a Buffaloe (nickel) at 400 yds with the .338

    much flatter shooting !

    notice how i snuck the coin ref in there !
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  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭


    << <i>
    No relation to this ...

    Henry Big Boy

    Steve >>



    Or this......

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  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    is that a BOBS BIG BOY or a SHONEYS BIG BOY ?
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It was just a black bear - not that exciting. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • GTOsterGTOster Posts: 861 ✭✭✭
    I shoot a 45/70 Tompson contender hand gun
    10"& a 14" Barrel I use a 300Grain Hallow point
    54.7 Grains of 4064smokeless powder with a mag primer with a Redfield scope
    Also had a 303 British Barrel made
    My little Hand Cannon
    If I had to guess the coin was used as a counter weight for reloading Back in the day
    IMHO
    Paul
    My E-Bay Auctions
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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,063 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>easier to hit a Buffaloe (nickel) at 400 yds with the .338

    much flatter shooting !

    notice how i snuck the coin ref in there ! >>



    Actually I plan on doing this in the summer. I'm going to start out with a Morganimage then work my way down to a dime. I should have no problem with the dollar but the dime might give me fits. I'll post pics.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • petescamppetescamp Posts: 211
    That 338 is more than overkill. the indian's killed them with the bow and arrow before the mint made collecting possible. Hmmmm.
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  • mhammermanmhammerman Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭
    I used to shoot a .44 mag superblack hawk single action with an 8" barrel and I loved it. Would run through a box a week for about 6 months as a recreational activity out in the country. I justified it because there were pigs out there. I had a holster and wore it across the front of my waist because I couldn't stoop of bend over with it strapped to my leg. I finally ruined my lunar bone in my shooting hand (desintegrated it) and had to switch to a .25 semiauto that I could keep in my pocket. Nothing like shooting a high powered weapon though...could split a 6" tree with that thing. Oh yes, I'm mostly deaf in my right ear now too but it sure was fun while it lasted.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,075 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That 338 is more than overkill. the indian's killed them with the bow and arrow before the mint made collecting possible. Hmmmm. >>



    You mean like those scenes from the movie "Dances with Wolves? What a farce that was; reality that was NOT. I saw a friend shoot an antelope at about 50 yards with a .45-70 500 gr cast bullet. The bullet went right through and ricocheted off the ground on tuther side. Never thought you needed a 500 gr bullet for a 400 gr critter but what do I know. Shudda melted that lead down and cast counterfeit coins with it.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    hey,heres abe

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