1952 topp mickey mantle GAI aunthenticated

maxima04 · May 11, 2005 2:51AM

I have a 52 Topps mantle graded by GAI a 1.5 I got burned on the grade. This is the nicest 1.5 no creases perfect centering no paper loss. should have graded a 3. if you are interested in it e-mail me at aclubguy@yahoo.com. I can provide detailed scans

Stingray · May 11, 2005 3:00AM

Everyone is going to ask for a scan.

Stingray

Stingray · May 11, 2005 3:02AM

Sorry did not read the part on you would provide scans. Though if you could post some here that would be cool.

Stingray

Stone193 · May 11, 2005 3:03AM

Maxima
If you can't host it, please email me a front and back scan and I will host/post it. Email address below.

mike

BigKidAtHeart · May 11, 2005 6:47AM

Hello Guys!

Here is his card.

It is good looking, but not sure
that based on the corners, and several
surface wrinkles/creases around the bottom,
that it is undergraded. I think it is a PSA 2
at best, but very possibly a 1.

~jeff

A761506 · May 11, 2005 7:15AM

Hmmm... very interesting...

Either that card is the exact card which was duplicated to create a well-known color copy counterfeit, or that card is a counterfeit (and I don't give much weight to it being in a GAI holder either). I would like to see a close up higher resolution scan of any area of the front of card to see the dot pattern to be able to tell for sure.

The card on the left is the known counterfeit, the card on the right is the one some guy out of the blue showed up with and is trying to sell in an undocumented transaction... You can see the similarities, from the obvious ones like the centering to the less obvious like the same scuff pattern near his mouth to the even minute detail... such as the small scuff in the blue background just above Mantle's cap, as well as what looks like some sort of photoshop doctoring on the GAI card where the crease is printed onto the counterfeit (especially when you look at the left side of the brim of his cap). The crease was printed onto the counterfeit because the original used to create the counterfeit had a crease in that shape through his hat. Additionally, there is a crease in the upper right corner of both cards, going through both the black border lines right next to where the meet.

pandrews · May 11, 2005 7:16AM

is there paper loss or anything on the back?

CDsNuts · May 11, 2005 7:20AM

Nice catch A7. Looks like the "same" Mantle to me.

Lee

Knuckles · May 11, 2005 7:28AM

Why come on here offering a bogus card when you know chances are very good you'll get called on it..

Mac53 · May 11, 2005 7:34AM

Maybe aclubguy doesn't know. If he really did send it in and it came back graded, he might think it's legit. I'm always very impressed at how well the board members can uncover the fakes, and this is no exception. You have to have a good eye and good knowledge to pick out the details that show its a counterfeit. Nicely done, A7!

BigtimeBowmanfan · May 11, 2005 7:45AM

I think Josh alluded to this but the top of the case looks like it was messed with, photoshop ? If you look just below the label it dosn't look right. Also why did bigkidatheart post the scan and not the seller ?

maxima04 · May 11, 2005 7:46AM

A7 please do not call my card a fake that piece of crap you put next to my card has horrible color. My card has no surface creases. It aunthenticated by a good grading company. What more proof do you need send me your e-mail I will send you close up scans. MY MANTLE IS 100% Authentic.

BigtimeBowmanfan · May 11, 2005 7:48AM

Ooops you probably hosted it for him.

sorry, its just when these come up for sale on the board your scam radar go's crazy.

CDsNuts · May 11, 2005 7:57AM

Almost everything on the card is identical besides color (which can be easily changed) and creases (which can be airbrushed out. Otherwise you have the same exact centering, the same scuff marks on Mick's cheek, the same little white wear marks around the black inner border, and everything else. These cards are too much alike for one to have not been copied off the other.

Yours could be the original one that was used to make the counterfeit on the left, or it could be another counterfeit.

Lee

EagleEyeKid · May 11, 2005 7:59AM

Those are 2 different cards from Josh's examples.
The colors are different. The only similarity I can see is the
scuffin near the mouth. The surface crease on the fake is not there
on the holdered example, but you can never rule out a photoshop job.
The holdered card also has deeper dings on the left upper and bottom corners.
The right upper corner looks different on both cards.
I'm not defending anyone; IMO these are 2 different cards.

lawnmowerman · May 11, 2005 8:02AM

<< A7 please do not call my card a fake that piece of crap you put next to my card has horrible color. My card has no surface creases. It aunthenticated by a good grading company. What more proof do you need send me your e-mail I will send you close up scans. MY MANTLE IS 100% Authentic. >>

Okay I will say what everyone else wants to say or should have said. Maximao4, take your bogus piece of garbage and try scamming someone on the Beckett boards. You will have alot more luck there. A761506
called it exactly right. Good job!

Matt

kuntryboy · May 11, 2005 8:03AM

maxima is a fraud.

maxima04 · May 11, 2005 8:05AM

you guys are crazy. My asking price is $2500.00 if anybody is interested. CARD IS GURATEDD AUNTHENTICATED BY GAI and 100% Authentic

maxima04 · May 11, 2005 8:08AM

F**k you Kounrty Boy. I think since my card is not in a psa holder you guys are bashing me and the card. WELL F**k all of you and KISS MY A*s

A761506 · May 11, 2005 8:14AM

Just to clarify, I never called the card a fake... I said that it could be the original card which was used in making the duplicates. Somewhere along the line, an authentic card had to be used. As far as the counterfeit I posted before with the brighter colors, that was caused because of a scan. Here's another picture of that counterfeit. A high resolution scan will definitely be able to prove whether the card is real or not. Scan the upper right corner including at least half of Mantle's hat and part of the GAI label and e-mail it to me (A761506@yahoo.com). I'll host the image for you, and if it's real, I'll be the first to say it is with certainty, and we'll have identified the card which is the origin of the color copy's.

lawnmowerman · May 11, 2005 8:14AM

<< you guys are crazy. My asking price is $2500.00 if anybody is interested. CARD IS GURATEDD AUNTHENTICATED BY GAI and 100% Authentic >>

Typical scammer. Starts with the insults and name calling. Go back to your bed and get your blanky and pacifier. It will be okay. BTW who is GURATEDD?

pandrews · May 11, 2005 8:17AM

<< BTW who is GURATEDD? >>

i think it has something to do with arteries? like a GURATTED ARTERY?

heh

lawnmowerman · May 11, 2005 8:33AM

<< 

<< BTW who is GURATEDD? >>

i think it has something to do with arteries? like a GURATTED ARTERY?

heh >>

Mac53 · May 11, 2005 8:38AM

Well, so much for my theory that "maybe aclubguy doesn't know." Next time I'll think twice before giving a stranger the benefit of a doubt.

Barfvader · May 11, 2005 9:01AM

In case everyone missed it. This person posted on the Buy,Sell,Trade board yesterday.

stevek · May 11, 2005 9:40AM

This sounds like the same guy from last week who got banned - I forget his other name. This guy needs some very serious psychiatric help.

Stone193 · May 11, 2005 9:57AM

Well, as long as we are posting our buy, sell, trade:

And people are in the buying mood, I have the following items for sale:

1. Mint T206 Wagner
2. Babe Ruth’s Rookie Uniform
3. The Original 10 Commandments
4. The Dead Sea Scrolls
5. The Code of Hammurabi
6. The Mona Lisa
7. The Declaration of Independence
8. The Da Vinci Code
9. The Magna Carta

And if you buy all nine, I will throw in the skeletal remains of the Elephant Man!

Sorry, no paypal.

lawnmowerman · May 11, 2005 10:00AM

<< Well, as long as we are posting our buy, sell, trade:

And people are in the buying mood, I have the following items for sale:

1. Mint T206 Wagner
2. Babe Ruth’s Rookie Uniform
3. The Original 10 Commandments
4. The Dead Sea Scrolls
5. The Code of Hammurabi
6. The Mona Lisa
7. The Declaration of Independence
8. The Da Vinci Code
9. The Magna Carta

And if you buy all nine, I will throw in the skeletal remains of the Elephant Man!

Sorry, no paypal.

>>

I will take one Magna Carta to go please. Oh, do you guys deliver?

pandrews · May 11, 2005 10:02AM

do the 10 Commandments tablets come with a COA?

CDsNuts · May 11, 2005 10:03AM

All those cards couldn't have passed through GAI could they?

Lee

CDsNuts · May 11, 2005 10:04AM

And are they the real ten commandments or the ones Heston held up in the movie?

Lee

lawnmowerman · May 11, 2005 10:09AM

<< Well, as long as we are posting our buy, sell, trade:

And people are in the buying mood, I have the following items for sale:

1. Mint T206 Wagner
2. Babe Ruth’s Rookie Uniform
3. The Original 10 Commandments
4. The Dead Sea Scrolls
5. The Code of Hammurabi
6. The Mona Lisa
7. The Declaration of Independence
8. The Da Vinci Code
9. The Magna Carta

And if you buy all nine, I will throw in the skeletal remains of the Elephant Man!

Sorry, no paypal.

>>

Is that a pic of Joan Rivers?

Mac53 · May 11, 2005 10:12AM

<< Is that a pic of Joan Rivers? >>

Actually, it's a well known "after" picture of a famous Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.

Mac53 · May 11, 2005 10:13AM

Sorry. Here's the before picture:

Carew29 · May 11, 2005 10:33AM

The one thing that has not been posted on this thread---Did any of you ever think about calling GAI? Aren't these the "gods" of grading who left PSA and anyone who works thereafter at PSA is of lesser quality? Here is their number. Why don't one of you genius's call and see if they graded a fake Mantle. GAI---(949) 474-1557....GEE,HMMMM, i bet they say it is a legit card, because if it's not, GAI just lost all credibility
over one card.

lawnmowerman · May 11, 2005 10:35AM

<< The one thing that has not been posted on this thread---Did any of you ever think about calling GAI? Aren't these the "gods" of grading who left PSA and anyone who works thereafter at PSA is of lesser quality? Here is their number. Why don't one of you genius's call and see if they graded a fake Mantle. GAI---(949) 474-1557....GEE,HMMMM, i bet they say it is a legit card, because if it's not, GAI just lost all credibility:
over one card. >>

Stone193 · May 11, 2005 10:57AM

<< Why don't one of you genius's call >>

Carew
Who you callin a genius?! Not only do I resents that allegation but I resents the allegator!

jrdolan · May 11, 2005 11:04AM

Another point of an identical match ... the small discolored dot on the right hand border near the edge ... the same on both. There's just too many identical points on both cards, the only exception being the crease that has been partially removed in a photo editing app. You can still see small parts of the crease in the exact same places.

I have to say, I wouldn't have expected a genuine 52 Mantle owner to react with the typical tantrum of a flamer exposed. I would have expected "Oh my God! Tell me how to find out for sure! Will GAI guarantee their grade??? HELP ME!!!"

He'd be frantic at seeing solid evidence that his precious 52 Mantle is probably fake, and seeking aid ... not throwing around obscenities and insults at the people who could advise him. I'm inclined to lean toward the theory that this may be a banned flamer who wanted to get revenge by screwing one of us with our pants on.

Stone, I'd be interested in the Commandments if God signed them and it's the version with Sweet Caporal on the reverse.

lawnmowerman · May 11, 2005 11:13AM

<< Another point of an identical match ... the small discolored dot on the right hand border near the edge ... the same on both. There's just too many identical points on both cards, the only exception being the crease that has been partially removed in a photo editing app. You can still see small parts of the crease in the exact same places.

I have to say, I wouldn't have expected a genuine 52 Mantle owner to react with the typical tantrum of a flamer exposed. I would have expected "Oh my God! Tell me how to find out for sure! Will GAI guarantee their grade??? HELP ME!!!"

He'd be frantic at seeing solid evidence that his precious 52 Mantle is probably fake, and seeking aid ... not throwing around obscenities and insults at the people who could advise him. I'm inclined to lean toward the theory that this may be a banned flamer who wanted to get revenge by screwing one of us with our pants on.

Stone, I'd be interested in the Commandments if God signed them and it's the version with Sweet Caporal on the reverse. >>

jrdolan is dead on. I guess the 1 and only guy ( no name needed) who defended this scammer is the real genius here!

Mac53 · May 11, 2005 11:17AM

<< Why don't one of you genius's call and see if they graded a fake Mantle. >>

I'd call', but' I'm afraid' I'd embarrass' myself' with' improper' use' of an' apostrophe'. ''''''''''''
''''''''''''''''''''''''

onlychild · May 11, 2005 11:58AM

If you study A7's 2 cards side by side you can tell they are the same card. That is very good investigative work. As for the GAI grade, IMO the card was probably photoshop'ed into a real GAI holder. The most Jr. grader can tell the difference between a fake and the real deal. The graders at GAI are by no means rookies, for the most part they wrote the book. I seriously doubt that a fake Mantle Rookie would get past them, PSA or SGC.

Kevin

Stone193 · May 11, 2005 12:03PM

<< Stone, I'd be interested in the Commandments if God signed them and it's the version with Sweet Caporal on the reverse. >>

JR
Guaranteed God auto with your commandments!

jcross97 · May 11, 2005 12:22PM

I have this Mantle "oddball item" available.....

Knuckles · May 11, 2005 12:28PM

Can it come with authentic sprinkles?

jrdolan · May 11, 2005 12:41PM

I don't think GAI would grade that cupcake as authentic ... but I know they have several holders that would fit.

BigKidAtHeart · May 11, 2005 11:46PM

Hey guys.
I am not on either side of this
because as they say,
"I do not have a dog in this fight"

All I did was email him and request the scan
then as a favor to a new guy, I hosted the
card so others could see it.
(just like Mike offered to do)

He called me at my office yesterday and
he is a very nice guy, but was very upset
becuase of all the attacks on him and the card.
I told him that to survive on these boards
you have to have thick skin and that SOME
people here are just here to start things.
(you know who you are)

Now, that being said, I have no idea if the card
is real or not, but IF it is in a GAI holder, then
it might be. IF it is a photoshopped photo then
of course it is not. The card certainly looks like the
other card that is supposedly counterfiet, but
the corners do not look the same to me.

I suggest that IF you are intrested in the card
you should email the guy and get him to send
more detailed scans of sections or back or whatever
and compare them to the original he sent to me.
But we should at least TRY And be Nice about it
and not just ATTACK him from the outset as some
of you guys did. His angry response was just a reaction
to those comments...
and I do not blame him.

Now, my suggestion for Maxima04, I would suggest
that you just put it up on Ebay since the price you
want for it is $2000-$2500 which is definately
reachable for a graded copy.
Better yet, you might want to send this over to PSA
for Crossover grade to confirm that it is infact a real
card, and if PSA says it is not, then you need to take
GAI to the mat about it because they will owe you then.

Now, everyone go and play nice.

Knuckles · May 12, 2005 12:30AM

<< Now, everyone go and play nice. >>

CDsNuts · May 12, 2005 12:47AM

You guys have a lot of time on your hands.

Lee

envoy98 · May 12, 2005 2:15AM

<< F**k you Kounrty Boy. I think since my card is not in a psa holder you guys are bashing me and the card. WELL F**k all of you and KISS MY A*s >>

So does this mean you won't be posting here anymore?

shagrotn77 · May 12, 2005 2:36AM

I'm a little confused. Where did the raw, known fake card come from? BTW - I agree they are the same card.

Stone193 · May 12, 2005 2:51AM

<< You guys have a lot of time on your hands.

Lee >>

Lee
And damn proud of it!

1952 topp mickey mantle GAI aunthenticated

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