1909 vdb possible double die ?

wellcirculated

Hello, In a group of 1909 vdb cents I recently puchased, I found what may be ddo - but it doesn't match some of the other varieties I've seen listed on CONECA and elsewhere. The coin has a secondary imprint visible of the entire date, liberty, and motto. The secondary image is to the south and in quite visible under magnification. I know there was a web site somewhere that contained a test/quiz to discern double dies from other striking errors, but I can't find it now. Does anyone know if this coin is a possible ddo, or is there another more likely explanation? Thanks in advance for any response.

wellcirculated

Or could this be an mdo? Any way to tell for sure? I also don't see any listings for 1909 vdb mdo varieties.

carl

With Lincoln cents go to the coppercoins.com web site. This guy, Charles D. Daughtrey wrote a book called Looking Through Lincoln Cents. He is soon to release another book like the first one he said. It is an entire book on Lincoln Cents. This person obviously spent lots and lots and lots of hours with these coins. It's a great book and I just looked up what you said about a possible double die of some sorts and there are some varieties listed. This book is very extensive and becomes irratating because I end up looking at every penny with a 14X magnifier now. Showed it to a few friends and now they to are going blind looking at pennies. Check that web site out for info on LIncolns.

RBinTex

Sounds like strike doubling.

wellcirculated

Thanks folks. The secondary image looks flat, so I'm inclined to believe you guys are right about the strike doubling. Is a coin like this worth any more than one without the doubling? Just trying to know if it's worth sending in to have slabbed. It's AU -ish.

nwcs

If the other is flat, it's 99.9999% certainly machine doubling. Still can be cool, though.

coppercoins

1909 has to be among the most studied date in Lincoln cents. My guess is that if your coin doesn't match up with my listed 1909P-1DO-001 (also CONECA DDO#1, WDDO-001, and FS 1c-012) then it's probably machine doubling. There is a second DDO known for 1909P VDB cents, but it involves extra thickness in the digits of the date and on LIBERTY. It has substantially less value than the other, and is often skipped by collectors because there is no separation between the devices except in early die state specimens that grade high enough to see it.

BTW, as a side note, I also have 4 different DDRs listed for 1909P, none of them are on the VDB cents, these are all the plain version. CONECA has I believe seven different dies listed of the same date and type. Keep looking!

pharmer

There is a tutorial in Cherrypickers with pictures that can help you determine whether it is a doubled die or strike doubling.

wellcirculated

On the subject on dd's and mechanical/strike doubling, I thought I'd share this link:


http://www.bakercoins.net/learn/variety/mech/index.html

Looks like my '09 vdb is "Coin 6", but south.

midwestcoin13

grab it and slab it.

carl

I told you this coppercoin guy knows all, sees all, tells all about Lincoln Cents.