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  • techefftecheff Posts: 2,285
    Yeah, as of 1/1/05 PCGS is now on the 100 point system. Where ya been?












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  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭
    So all my 63/64/65 grades I complain about are worse than I think!??
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  • techefftecheff Posts: 2,285
    So all my 63/64/65 grades I complain about are worse than I think!??

    Actually, they're much better! They're now 88/89/90. You just have send them in to be reholdered. image
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  • 1907Quarter1907Quarter Posts: 2,770
    will someone please wake me up and tell me it's just a dream....
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  • CoinOnTheCobCoinOnTheCob Posts: 712
    What did he submit, a United States pound?

    Edited to clarify my question: Denomination - # (?)
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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wonder if the labels are printed MS86image
    That would be cool to own.
    Larry

  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    Where is the announcement on the PCGS site? I've looked all over and can't find any reference to changing the grade numbering system.
    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
  • BubbleheadBubblehead Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭
    That is one, strange submission!image
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    I think it's part of PCGS "Average Grade" program. They have to give out somes 86's to justify the 64/65 grades
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  • fountainheadgoldfountainheadgold Posts: 2,467 ✭
    Yea I sent all my pcgs coins in to get the new gradesimage I,m hoping for 87s
    Michael
  • DrWhoDrWho Posts: 562 ✭✭
    PCGS is trying to 'one up' SGS's MS/PF 70's?
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Two MS86's on one submisson......Major Score!!image
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    I'm more surprised by the "refund." I didn't know PCGS gave refunds.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Scores like 86 etc are body bags. I think he received two of them--body bags. That is one bad submission.

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  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    PCGS does not list an MS86 as a grade. Here are the grade classes listed on their web site this morning -2/2/05

    PCGS Grading Standard

    Grade Description
    PO-1 Identifiable date and type
    FR-2 Mostly worn, though some detail is visible
    AG-3 Worn rims but most lettering is readable though worn
    G-4 Slightly worn rims, flat detail, peripheral lettering nearly full
    G-6 Rims complete with flat detail, peripheral lettering full
    VG-8 Design worn with slight detail
    VG-10 Design worn with slight detail, slightly clearer
    F-12 Some deeply recessed areas with detail, all lettering sharp
    F-15 Slightly more detail in the recessed areas, all lettering sharp
    VF-20 Some definition of detail, all lettering full and sharp
    VF-25 Slightly more definition in the detail and lettering
    VF-30 Almost complete detail with flat areas
    VF-35 Detail is complete but worn with high points flat
    EF-40 Detail is complete with most high points slightly flat
    EF-45 Detail is complete with some high points flat
    AU-50 Full detail with friction over most of the surface, slight flatness on high points
    AU-53 Full detail with friction over 1/2 or more of surface, very slight flatness on high points
    AU-55 Full detail with friction on less than 1/2 surface, mainly on high points
    AU-58 Full detail with only slight friction on the high points
    MS/PR-60 No wear. May have many heavy marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
    MS/PR-61 No wear. Multiple heavy marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
    MS/PR-62 No wear. Slightly less marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
    MS/PR-63 Moderate number/size marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
    MS/PR-64 Few marks/hairlines or a couple of severe ones, strike should be average or above
    MS/PR-65 Minor marks/hairlines though none in focal areas, above average strike
    MS/PR-66 Few minor marks/hairlines not in focal areas, good strike
    MS/PR-67 Virtually as struck with minor imperfections, very well struck
    MS/PR-68 Virtually as struck with slight imperfections, slightest weakness of strike allowed
    MS/PR-69 Virtually as struck with minuscule imperfections, near full strike necessary
    MS/PR-70 As struck, with full strike
    GV Government issue price

    No Grade Description
    90 Not Genuine
    91 Artificial Color
    92 Cleaning
    93 Planchet Flaw
    94 Altered Surfaces
    95 Scratch / Rim Dent
    96 Refund - No Service
    97 Environmental Damage
    98 Damage
    99 PVC

    In addition to the 1-70 scale presented above, the suffixes described below are added to some grades in certain series to expand on the numerical grade.

    Designation Description
    Color: RD Red
    Color: RB Red-Brown
    Color: BN Brown
    Strike: FS Full Steps
    Strike: FB Full Bands
    Strike: FH Full Head
    Strike: FBL Full Bell Lines
    Surface: DM Deep Mirror Prooflike
    Surface: PL Prooflike
    Surface: DC Deep Cameo
    Strike: CA Cameo
    Strike: BM Branch Mint Proof
    Strike: BMCA Branch Mint Cameo

    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    doesn't "86" mean ....

    throw it into the trash?image
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    I think you guys took the "No Joke!" too seriously.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No date??image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    I think those were some sort of token or metal. There is no date or denomination listed on the MS86 grades.
    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    that's a 'bodybag' code


    would be a good question for HRH



  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Getting 86'd is code when you get kicked out of a bar and are not allowed back again, maybe PCGS is refusing to serve this guy imageimage------------------------BigE
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Waited 12-10-04 to 1-28-05 for THAT....image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • mikebombsmikebombs Posts: 224
    It is a typo. They meant ms68. Don’t tell me it is the first time you pros seen mistakes on pcgs slabs?
  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭


    << <i>PCGS does not list an MS86 as a grade. Here are the grade classes listed on their web site this morning -2/2/05

    PCGS Grading Standard

    Grade Description
    PO-1 Identifiable date and type...

    ...Strike: BMCA Branch Mint Cameo >>










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