Need help with 1921-D Morgan

nesvt

I received all of the updates to the VAM Book today. Great stuff, but I still have no idea about this 1921-D.
It has characteristics that should make it a VAM. Lots of cracks, most go through the denticles and to the rim.
Double date, double letters on obverse and reverse, the ear may be slightly doubled on lower inside right, far date, double and triple stars.
I thought it might be a VAM-7, but then again I've also come up with several other guesses in the last few minutes.
The most significant crack starts at Liberty's neck, passes the bottom of the designer's initial, goes through her hair, cross the field, passes through the 6th right star, and ends up in the denticles.
Another crack starts at the base of the neck and goes left through the first three left stars. There's a crack at the right base of the 1 that goes through the denticles. The left and right stars are doubled, possibly tripled.
There's a crack on the reverse through ED. The lower arrow shaft looks doubled on top between talon and arrow head. Stars on reverse look tripled. STATES doubled on bottom and right. Part of DOLLAR doubled on top left.

Norm

ms70

Can't help you with your question but I must say this is the first time I could see molecules in a coin pic!

Nice photography!

poorguy

Dayum, what kind of camera is that? Microscope?

Dabigkahuna

Man! Awsome pics!


Maybe its one of these?


Vamlink

nesvt

<< <i>Dayum, what kind of camera is that? Microscope? >>



Yes. It's a 20x microscope and I'm holding a digital camera up to the lens. It was a Christmas gift and I had to check the price.... $200. The previous year I got socks and a tie. I must have been good in 2004.

The close-ups look okay. The overview shots need major improvement. My biggest issue is finding space to set up something permanent. I've gotten lots of great tips from other threads in this forum. Just have to apply a few.

jdsinva

I have an Olypmus digital camera which can accept lens adapters, etc. . . I found a place that sold an adapter that screws onto the camera and clamps down on the eyepiece of my microscope that works quite nicely, although I thought it was a bit expensive for what it was. In any event, it was cheaper than buying a microscope witht the camera adapter built it (those can run several hundred dollars).

Just to comment on your coin, do you think it may be an EDS of an existing VAM in the book?

nesvt

<< <i>Just to comment on your coin, do you think it may be an EDS of an existing VAM in the book? >>



That was my first thought. It looked like a few of the VAM-1 series (1V, 1N, etc). I went through each and starting comparing. I assumed I would be missing some cracks because the coin was probably EDS. Many matched, but I always ended up with additional die cracks in my coin. My next approach was to forget about the cracks and look at the doubling and tripling. Didn't get me anywhere.

nesvt

I should add that I couldn't find anything with a crack from the neck, to the right, through hair, across to the last right star, and to the rim.

Wolf359

Per Rob's book, JOH-15 "Sm Breaks 6th Right Star, D UNITED", page 83. Discovered by Paul Pierce Oct, 2002.

Leroy has turned that down for vamming at least twice. Any "turn downs" get a JOyce-Hart (JOH) variety number until an LDS coin is discovered.

Leroy turned down the original submission, then last summer again on a coin I found which appeared to have a die break laying on the second S in STATES. Leroy called it "unconvincing, probably a bag mark". I've been looking for a later die state to prove him wrong for nearly a year!

Finest known is my NGC 64 I believe.

nesvt

Thanks Jack. I can't believe I missed that. If I told you how long I looked before posting, you'd laugh. What's even worse, I already own a JOH-15 that I found last summer! The one I got yesterday is a much later die state that my other coin, but I guess it's still EDS?

The only difference I see from Rob's photo is the crack on the obverse of my coin starts at her neck and goes through the M and hair. The book photo starts at the right of the hair. Mine also has a die crack on the second S in STATES and a piece of silver near the top right of the S. Plus, I forgot to mention that the obverse die looks slightly sunken. The area above the obverse crack (right of hair) is higher than below the crack. Does this do anything?

If you think this has a chance as a VAM, I'd be glad to send you the coin. Maybe you could re-re-submit to Leroy with your original coin and use mine as a reinforcement.

Thanks again.

Norm

nesvt

Disregard that statement about me already having a JOH-15. I was confusing it with a JOH-13 that I have. Guess I should use the computer to print labels, because I can't read my own writing.

A few more questions... if I forget about the die cracks completely, shouldn't double/triple stars and a far date get or already have a VAM designation? Jack, does your JOH-15 have the same? How about the sunken die on obverse?

anablep

Holey Moley what super pictures!!

Wolf359

Hi Norm,

Can't see a sunken die on mine. It's not VAM-1, my '2' in the date is doubled. Don't know which
VAM it would fall under, sorry. I know the varities, and only a few of the non-varity vams.

Here's my JOH-15 "break, aka, bag mark". Very LDS as you can see the metal past the S strongly...