My first 17hundreds era "coin" !!! :-) !!!! (1793 Conder Token)

ss350camaro

I've been wanting a U.S Coin in the 17 hundreds era but haven't had much luck finding something decent that i could afford

I came across this last night and thought it was pretty cool, even tho it's not American !

Wasn't expensive at all

Whatcha' think ?

OKbustchaser

<<Whatcha' think ? >>

I think Isacc Newton had WAY too much nose. How did the apple ever make it all the way to the ground around that thing?

Jim

P.S. Nice coin though.

AbesNeighbor

Kinda looks like an over date "97 over 96"

Dan

Tootawl

<< <i><<Whatcha' think ? >>

I think Isacc Newton had WAY too much nose. How did the apple ever make it all the way to the ground around that thing?

Jim

P.S. Nice coin though. >>



That's the first think that caught my attention! Isaac had one big honker!!

ER

<< <i><<Whatcha' think ? >>

I think Isacc Newton had WAY too much nose. How did the apple ever make it all the way to the ground around that thing?

Jim

P.S. Nice coin though. >>


Definitely like the reverse.
The first thing that came to my mind on the obverse was Richard Nixon.
I thought Sir Newton had really long hair.

TommyType

Cool! Anyone who follows science would live to have that!

But this fan needs more information: British?? And would it be a commemorative?? Or is it a private issue??

ss350camaro

It's a Conder Token.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>Kinda looks like an over date "97 over 96" >>



Looks like 1793 to me.

Cool Conder.

cosmicdebris

Almost like the one I got bot mine is a farthing not a half penny.

Conder101

It is a 1793, it is a Conder token from Middlesex, Dalton & Hamer #1034 (engrailed edge) or 1034a (plain edge). It is part of what is called the Political and Social series. There are three different die varieties for this token (1033, 1034, ^ 1035), usually the one you see is 1033. The 1034 is still considered to be common even thouh it isn't seen as often, the 1034a is extremely rare. These were an anonymous issue made for general circulation.

(Although Newton is well known in the US for his works in physics, optics, and mathmatics, Newton was also for some time the Master of the Royal Mint of England.)

eyoung429

Gotta tell ya, pretty nice token.

Here's my 1792 Half-penny

mgoodm3

nice tokens

lordmarcovan

These reached their zenith around the time the US Mint was just gettin' started. They make a nice affordable (and attractive) alternative to that Chain cent most of us can't afford!

There's even a Conder token listed in the Red Book...

cosmicdebris

Mint State late 1700 copper for under $500 sure beats any US examples

Here's a few of mine: LINKY-POO

farthing

Very nice looking Conder token!

lordmarcovan

I've only had one Conder, and it was a PO01 I got in a junk lot. Slick as could be, with just an unidentifiable silhouette of a design. But it had a lettered edge, which was surprisingly still readable. With the help of some folks on the eBay coin board, we were able to attribute it as one with the River god on it... sorta like this one out of Cosmic's collection, I guess. (But much, much, much lower-grade!)



It was fun actually figuring out what my obscure, otherwise-unidentifiable brown slug was. I forget what the lettered edge said. Maybe Bill can enlighten me.

Conder101

If it was the Glasgow piece shown the edge would either be PAYABLE AT THE HOUSE OF GILBERT SHEARER & CO, or it could be PAYABLE AT H BROWNBILL'S SILVERSMITH.

If it is a D&H 3 which uses the same river god die and a very similar obverse with the right corner of the shield between the F and L of FLOURISH, then there are several different edge possibilities:

PAYABLE AT EDINBURGH GLASGOW & DUMFRIES -x-
CAMBRIDGE BEDFORD AND HUNTINGDON
PAYABLE IN LONDON
PAYABLE IN LONDON BRISTOL & LANCASTER
PAYABLE AT CLOUGHER OR IN DUBLIN
WE PROMISE TO PAY THE BEARER ONE CENT. (This one is interesting because it was struck on left over planchets for the Talbot Allen & Lee tokens used by that firm in New York. Later the companies left over tokens were cut down and used for US 1797 half cent planchets.)

There are two more varieties that use the same obv as the token shown but with either the initials F A under the date, or an orniment under the date. Both of these also come with various edges but I won't list them here.

There are actually several Conder tokens in the Red book. The Franklin Press piece shown earlier, the Kentucky Token, and most of the Washington pieces.