1880-o MS64???????????

TONEDDOLLARS

I have shown this coin to a few knowledgable people with the grade covered. All have called it MS65 one even said shot 66. I know that no one can grade from a picture, but believe me thisa one has a shot. I think PCGS is real tough on 80-o's. 64=$1500.00, 65= $25000. This could be why its in a 64. I'think I'm going to bring this to FUN for a try. By the way the shot 66 was from a former PCGS finalizer. Guess that just backs up that saying about grading not being an exact science.

Hadleydog

Always seems tough to get the bump when the price jumps like that. Almost a shame the graders know about the price jumps, but I doubt you could find anyone with the knowledge to be a grader who wasn't aware of them. Pandora's box, I guess. BTW, looks like a wicked coin, especially for an 80-O!

mercurydimeguy

From the picture, it does look like a very nice coin -- and I hear you about the 64 grade.

I personally have a 1924-S Mercury Dime in MS64FB that eveyone -- and I mean every single dealer and collector -- I've ever showed it to with grade covered up called it a 65FB and some said 66FB. I've (re)submitted it for regrade 3x and the 4th time sent in for Presidential review...no dice.

I've come to the conclusion that the only way this coin is getting in to its proper 65FB holder is if I ask/have a "high flyer", "big shot" PCGS dealer submit it. Sounds terrible -- and it's not a money thing -- I just want to see the coin in its proper holder.

I have half of mind bringing in my entire set to show them how many coins I have graded 65 by them, which are comporable and/or aren't as nice. Honestly, it would be quite embarrasing

Post here how you make out/what you wind up doing/what happens with this piece. I, for one, would be curious

BAJJERFAN

<<"Always seems tough to get the bump when the price jumps like that. ">>

Of course!! If yu were gonna stick yer neck out for a $25K guarantee you would be plenty careful too. Gets a 64, the finalizer sed shot 66, but yet he couldn't find a way to give it a 65. HMMM. Very nice coin tho. You can't blame them for being conservative.

Stuart

TonedDollars: Is the reverse of your 1880-O also attractively toned, or is this a one-sided toner? That could also have an eye appeal aesthetic impact on the assigned grade. I personally prefer two-sided toners.

nankraut

Is that a vertical scratch in front of the nose?

grip

I would love to see them do away with the guarantee,and give the coin the grade it deserves.

.............
AL

TONEDDOLLARS

nankraut, yes it is, and it is on the holder.

Stuart: the reverse is also toned, as of now I do not have a picture of it.

Baggerfan: I thought it went with out saying that he thought it was a 65 and a shot at 66

Koinlink

From the scan that Morgan looks pretty darn nice!

roadrunner

If it were to go in I'd recommend sending it in with some lower end or mid-range 1880-O's for a direct comparison. Of course you'd have to do all that raw. I just reviewed a group of 3 toner 1882 dollars from PCGS and their technical grades were widely different.
MS63+, MS64, and MS64+. Yet they graded all 3 MS64 based on what appeared to be a combination of eye appeal and marks.

You'd have to guess that with no PCGS MS66's graded on the
1880-0 that it takes a 65.3 or 65.5 coin to make the grade. A 65.0 or 64.9 coin just probably won't make it, no matter how eye-appealing.

roadrunner

TWODOGS

The last PCGS 1880-O I saw in a 64 holder SHOULD have been in a 63. I passed on it, even though it was a 80/79 overdate and a Top 100. They managed to bump that one from a $300 to $1400 coin without batting an eye. It wasn't even a low end 64...

coinkat

I like the coin but I am not able to offer an opinion based on the picture... a shot of the reverse would help. And you are right, the services are brutal with the 80-O, and even the 79-O AND 86-O

kryptonitecomics

Sweet coin..............I agree with it being tough to grade from that scan, but from what I can see it sure looks like a solid 65 to me...................just love the toning on it as well

RVDavis

Pretty pretty coin. Is that a scuff on the lower part of the cheek? I know my camera imparts marks where there are none occasionaly.

TONEDDOLLARS

RVDavis: Yes there is a small mark on the lower part of the jaw. It is about the only mark on her face.

morgannut2

Come on! Everyone knows PCGS graders are not allowed to grade Morgan 80-O's MS-65, or '32D Washington

Quarters MS-66, even if they're lock MS68's and David Hall Rare Coins sends 'em in 12 times!!!!

BAJJERFAN

"Baggerfan: I thought it went with out saying that he thought it was a 65 and a shot at 66"

Whoever the former finalizer was probly wasn't working for PCGS when the coin was submitted or at least wasn't the finalizer on that coin. If it had a shot at 66 then iy must be a solid 65. If he was the finalizer then he had a chance to bump the grade, but did not. Coins like that one aren't easily forgotten. Looks like a show graded coin from the cert number.

TONEDDOLLARS

Baggerfan,

No this person has not been with PCGS for quite a few years. For that matter I think he was with them in the early years and stayed for about 10 years and then went back to the private sector. I am however fascinated that you can tell this coin may have been graded at a show. Please tell me more about how you would know this. I love to know these little things, thanks

TD

flyingcougar13

Very nice 80-O!!! The 500 cert # is a show graded coin.

BAJJERFAN

According to a comment awhile back from JBSteven cert numbers for show graded coins start with 5. At least that is what I remember the comment to be.

TONEDDOLLARS

It looks like this coin was certified at a show. Well I'm going to try it again, I think its well worth the try.

skier07

Do they grade differently at shows?

I would think at a show setting the graders might "know" the submitters and I wonder
if they grade more loosely. Isn't it also more expensive to get an on site grading which
might affect the grading?

Apparently with this coin everything I stated is just the opposite.

Bruce

TONEDDOLLARS

No they do not grade any different at a show other than you can get it back before the end of the show. Getting it graded at the show is like rolling the dice. I'm hoping to come up all sevens