1958 Licoln cent doubled die - anyone have pictures?

darktone · December 15, 2004 8:42PM

I see the PCGS lists a doubled die for the 1958 Lincoln cent- anyone have pictures of this variety? thanks! mike

joeyuk · December 15, 2004 10:21PM

From The Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents.

DominusDeus · December 15, 2004 10:27PM

....wow..

pharmer · December 15, 2004 10:56PM

It's in Cherrypicker's 4th edition.

coppercoins · December 15, 2004 11:05PM

Yeah...best of luck finding one. There were two of them discovered a number of years ago, and to my knowledge there are two of them known to date.

mgoodm3 · December 16, 2004 12:05AM

That be some strong doubling.

Conder101 · December 16, 2004 4:15AM

Doesn't look like class 1 doubling to me. Looks more like pivoted hub doubling with the pivot point located somewhere around just above the 9. If it was class one with the rotation at the center of the coin the date should show more seperation like Liberty does (especially the 8). Liberty is WIDELY seperated but the date doesn't show anywhere near the seperation of the rest of the letters. That would indicate that the rotation point is closer to the date than the center.

clackamas · December 16, 2004 4:48AM

I thought I heard/read, some time ago, that they probably escaped from the mint in someones pocket, and that none probably ever reached circulation. Some mint employees probably saw the craze of the 55DDO and wanted to make a few bucks, kind of like the recent mules out of the Philly mint.

ozzysdad · December 16, 2004 5:24AM

Wonder what this one is classified as?

pharmer · December 16, 2004 5:36AM

Good comments, Condor. I agree with you, especially after reviewing the classes of doubling relative to the quarter in the other double die thread. Interestingly, the CONECA U.S. Doubled Die Master Listing (1994) lists die 1 as class V, clockwise pivot, while CONECA's varietiy listings on the web site now list it as class I, as does Cherrypickers. But the picture in Cherrypicker's seem to support your point.

EagleEye · December 17, 2004 12:26AM

About 7 years ago I was in a three way sealed bid for this coin:

It's the MS-64RD PCGS, pop 1 and one of only two known.

I bid $25,000 for the coin. The winning bid would be the final price, no reduction to a % over the second highest bid.

When the bids were revealed, I lost....it went for $25,025.

kranky · December 17, 2004 12:29AM

This is a very interesting coin. With only two examples known, it's a pretty sure bet that some underhanded activities took place in order to have these come to light.

I remember seeing it in Taylor's book but never had heard about them anywhere else. Cool to see them being discussed here.

greghansen · December 17, 2004 12:31AM

I bid $25,000 for the coin....When the bids were revealed, I lost....it went for $25,025.

Now that sucks! That would have been one nice prize to own. Nice image of the real thing.

EagleEye · December 17, 2004 12:34AM

I edited the post to explain that there was no price reduction. -- you posted too quick.

The sale was held by Sam Lukes. 2 other bidders. Sealed bids. Years later Sam had it in his ad for $85,000. At the time it seemed way out there. Maybe not so far out there today.

Joe Yuk - Be careful regarding posting copy from copyrighted reference books.

seanq · December 17, 2004 1:40AM

Conder: you're exactly right, it's a Class V (pivoted hub) variety with a pivot point at K-5. John Wexler had a very interesting opinion piece on this variety in his 'Encyclopedia of Lincoln Cent Doubled Dies' where he uses this fact as proof of the coin's authenticity. Someone trying to make a contemporary counterfeit to try and capitalize on the popularity of the 1955 DDO would have made a Class I DDO, Class V wasn't even defined until much after the coin's discovery.

As I recall the story, they turned up in the possession of an ex-Mint employee in 1960, he claimed to have discovered them both in a mint-sealed bag. I also think a third coin may have turned up in the early 1990s, or was at least rumored to exist.

Sean Reynolds

darktone · December 17, 2004 9:43PM

Thanks guy's! So what your saying is my chance of finding one in a roll is pretty slim?

It sure has some nice seperation in liberty and should be pretty easy to spot. mike

joeyuk · December 17, 2004 9:57PM

Rick,
I did not realize it was wrong to post a pic. from the book. I did credit the source
and it's not like I'm using it to profit in any way. If anything it could only promote
interest and lead to more sales of books on the subject.

Does anyone have a legal opinion on posting posting pics such as this with
credit given?

1958 Licoln cent doubled die - anyone have pictures?

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