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Local news radio this morning reported on the rising "rare coin" market and how all the rich people were buying there. This was not an info-mercial, it was the actual morning news.

Is the shoe-shine guy on to it yet?


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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Definitely time to start preparing for the big sell off.


  • << <i>Definitely time to start preparing for the big sell off. >>





    What is it exactly that we should do to prepare for a big sell off? And why would rich people coming into the market cause a sell off? How soon will the sell off begin?



    Jerry
  • when unknowledgeable people with lots of money enter into a market, the prices go sky high, (that's the time that the smart people sell) because sooner or later reality sets in and the bottom drops out.
  • The "unknowledgeable people" have top guns in the business advising them. They do not bid on Ebay, they have contacts who buy the coins for them.

    Also, the rich dudes are not in the market for daytrading. They are in it for the long haul.

  • I have problems believeing the common guy who hears this report of top money being made in coins
    will have a buyer buy coins for him what will move this market is the common buyer getting in
    he will buy any thing if it looks good with a slick seller
    then the end will be awhile just like the stock market in the late 90's
    i think theirs a few years on this market yet
    but never say never
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The "unknowledgeable people" have top guns in the business advising them. >>

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    Yeah, just like they did when they were loading up on tech stocks in the late 1990's. Bubbles don't care about "experts." They burst of their own volition.

    Russ, NCNE


  • << <i>Yeah, just like they did when they were loading up on tech stocks in the late 1990's. Bubbles don't care about "experts." They burst of their own volition. >>



    I believe they sold when the small fish were buying. In the end the 9-5 person got fried.
  • I have been getting ready for a few months now. That's why I have not budged on some of my prices.
    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Being noticed doesn't cause a crash. It's when large numbers of people begin acting on
    it that a crash is set up. When you think about it though, it's hard for gains in the thousands
    of percent to go unnoticed indefinitely. Watch for speculation and when you think you see it
    either sell or try something else. It's possible to miss the crashes if you watch what's going on
    around you. When speculation is seen don't be greedy. Yes, you'll miss the up trends too, but
    it is always the crashes that are most destructive.
    Tempus fugit.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe they sold when the small fish were buying. In the end the 9-5 person got fried. >>



    I know several very wealthy people who lost boatloads of money. I also know some small fry that got out in the spring of 2000 - the ones who listened to me.

    Russ, NCNE
  • Every market has to run its course. In the stock market, the shoe shine boy got in 5 to 6 years before the large correction. Give the coin market a little time will ya. Its almost as if some folks on this board want the coin market to crash. Maybe they want to buy coins cheaper. I guess everyone is self serving in some way. image
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭


    << <i>Every market has to run its course. In the stock market, the shoe shine boy got in 5 to 6 years before the large correction. Give the coin market a little time will ya. Its almost as if some folks on this board want the coin market to crash. Maybe they want to buy coins cheaper. I guess everyone is self serving in some way. image >>



    As a collector who doesn't sell, I'd love for the coin market to crash image
  • Where is the best place to sell?
    Coins, shiny coins!
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, the rich dudes are not in the market for daytrading. They are in it for the long haul.

    On the contrary, I think, these "rich dudes" are in it for the short haul. Most will want to buy, hold for a short period of time, not on a "daytrading" basis, but definitely on a defined time period like a year or two, and then unload. By definition, "investor" buys in order to sell for a profit. Folks who do this, particularly on the advice of a "financial planner", are not going to be "into" coins, and will not want to hold for the long term. They are trying to make money, pure and simple.

    Once the popular media gets full swing into promotion of coins as "investment", prices will rise fast, and crash faster (sooner or later) and no, it's not "different this time"

    the only questions in my mind are: 1) how long the bull market will continue, and how high prices will go, before the inevitable crash, and 2) how low will the crash take the market? to currrent levels? below? or still above current levels?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭

    I don't expect a crash, but I am prepared for one. It is extremely unwise to invest in anything without preparation, regardless of what the Advisors (sic) say..

    The various markets do not behave that differently, given long enough timeframes. Basically, people react the same. I suspect the coin market being reported within the morning business news segment portends higher, more insane prices.... before the crash inevitable to such a thin, illiquid market. The ice is think so come on out.

  • mhammermanmhammerman Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭
    This reminds me of when I was studying craps. One little sentence that I always remembered..."Dice don"t have a memory." The other thing I remember is..."Dice don't care who you are." Seemed appropriate with all the wild speculating we are about to witness over the next few weeks.
  • Where would a declining market first show up? Would it be in auction results, lowering of retail sails prices, seeing the same coin in inventories for long times? I mean, what is the best indicator that the end is near and prices are reversing?
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570


    << <i>Is the shoe-shine guy on to it yet? >>

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  • ormandhormandh Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Where would a declining market first show up? Would it be in auction results, lowering of retail sails prices, seeing the same coin in inventories for long times? I mean, what is the best indicator that the end is near and prices are reversing? >>



    When the coins you bought at wholesale prices start selling for a lower than you paid.
  • ormandhormandh Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭
    Or the more common coins not selling at all. ie. baseball cards or stamps. You can't give stamps away.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    This was not an info-mercial, it was the actual morning news.

    What part of the country had this as news? image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭

    What part of the country had this as news?

    I'm in the Houston Galleria on business this week.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For the 2nd time today I agree with Baley again. image

    The big buyers whether they bought for the "long haul" or the "short haul" will dump when it looks like things may continue to drop for years....a la the 1990's. They can buy back all those same nice coins, and nicer ones, as the market sinks to the bottom as it always does.

    But on the good side, our inflation register has only started to gather attention. Until the shoe shine guy starts screaming "INFLATION" along with everyone else, we have plenty of time to watch the up cycle. Inflation (via our weak dollar policy and the returns of trillions to our shores) will take the market up (in depressed dollars of course) and then a stronger dollar will take it down. Hang on.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    There aught to be a law. People should be required

    to spend 3 months on this Forum before being allowed

    to buy a coin. Sort of like getting a Learners Permit, before

    being allowed to drive a car.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • I remember a quote from a college economics class: "If you lined up all the economists in the world end to end, they still wouldn't reach a conclusion." Although the coin collecting/investing world is only a part of this, it seems evident that the cycle will repeat - regardless of how we interpret or prepare for it. I'm happy to be a collector of (mostly) small means, who can "invest" in what really pleases me while not having to worry about market gains / losses.

    Hopefully, the market will readjust of it's own volition within a reasonable time frame...I am concerned about the price of gold and silver (which went over $8.00 today). In the interim, I'll just take it a day at a time. image
  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nickelback,
    How did you get such a large icon picture in your post? That's neat !!

    Paul
  • If tons of people start buying coins as an investment we may get into bubble mode. When we start hearing more news stories about the coin market that might get more people buying. When more people buy prices will go up and we would expect to hear more news stories. That kind of positive feedback cycle can last for months if not years.

    My guess is that we are at the start of a bubble. I think it will inflate for a while to come. Prices for many coins haven't inflated much yet. I am in no rush to sell everything.

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