The Tale of My 22-No D Cent

SarasotaFrank

A year or so ago, I bought a 22 No D cent from a dealer I trusted enough to buy it raw. It was a nice VF example, and after owning it for about four months, I had them ship it off to NGC (local, fast).

A couple of weeks later is comes back as a VF-20 22-D - no altered surface notations or questionable authenticity - but as a 22-D.

Not my long suit, but the way I understand it, there are a number of 22 No D criteria and the one this supposedly met was not recognized by NGC. The dealer gave me a full refund and picked up the grading fee.

Today, I stopped by and the owner handed me a PCGS slab and asked "look familiar?"

Same coin VF-20 - 22-No D - in a PCGS slab.

go figure.

edited to add "No -D" to the final outcome

Louis

Did PCGS slab it as a no D ?

SarasotaFrank

just noticed I did not make that clear and added it to above - came back as a No-D

CarsonCityGold

Did you "re-buy" the coin?

Shamika

Probably a boarderline weak-D / no-D variety. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't.

I'm amazed the dealer gave you a refund after the fact. He's a real standup guy that clearly deserves you ongoing support.

SarasotaFrank

<< <i>Did you "re-buy" the coin? >>



I "playfully" offered to buy it back for the original price.

We all had a good chuckle over it anyway.

SarasotaFrank

<< <i>Probably a boarderline weak-D / no-D variety. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't.

I'm amazed the dealer gave you a refund after the fact. He's a real standup guy that clearly deserves you ongoing support. >>



I had no doubt, and in fact didn't even have to ask. Probably one of a very small group of dealers (a group of two) I would buy a raw coin of this specificity from with full conifdence of authenticity or return regardless of time lapsed.

centmaster

Was is from Die Pair #1,2 or 3? I'm guessing it wasn't from #2 (the strong reverse) since the D may have been present at one time on the die that struck your coin. The Die Pair #2 is the only one where there has never been any trace of a mintmark. Great dealer to let you buy it again.

SarasotaFrank

pcgs identifies it as a weak reverse - would that be die pair #3?

jdimmick

Sarasota Frank,

What you are reffering to is the No D weak reverse of die#3, it is not the recognized true No D coin and should not carry any premium remotely cose to the real one. NGC and ANACS will not call this coin a No D, but PCGS for some reason does and lists it as Die#3.

jim

I see so many people pay big money for the wrong coin??

SarasotaFrank

now there's a tidbit of knowledge that's worth some dough.

thanks jim

Merc

Yep, Jim is right. On the weak reverse 1922 imposter plain Die #1 and #3, the obverse die was wearing out and grease would fill in the D at times. The D faded in and out on these. I've seen some in slabs where you can plainly see a faint D but the slab says "1922 No D". The real 1922 Plain was caused by a die that was pollished after a die clash and the D was removed. The same process that created the 3 legged buffalo. This makes it a much rarer coin than the Die#1 and #3 no D/weak D cents.

Conder101

<< <i>The real 1922 Plain was caused by a die that was pollished after a die clash and the D was removed. >>


Agreed, but the Die 2 obverse was also wearing out when it was polished.

Shamika

<< <i>What you are reffering to is the No D weak reverse of die#3, it is not the recognized true No D coin and should not carry any premium remotely cose to the real one. >>


While I agree that die pair #2 should be the most valuable, to say that die pairs #1 and #3 "should not carry any premium remotely close to the real one" is a little extreme.

Some readers may get the idea that #1 and #3 have almost no value greater than a standard 22-D. This is absolutely not true. Die pair #2 is in great demand by collectors, but the other two die pairs are also very sought after and knowledgable collectors DO pay a significant premiums for these.