Wild error on this half Cent

poptopsRus

Ok check out the pictures (don't scroll down), do you see the error:









































































Ok now it's much easier to see. Double struck first strike off center:

airplanenut

Cool! I love large cent errors... one of the guys at my local show as one of this type with two reverses... 100% brockage, so one is backwards

Smittys

Awesome Error is it yours?
I cought it before scrolling.
Smitty

poptopsRus

<< <i>Awesome Error is it yours?
I cought it before scrolling.
Smitty >>




At the moment it is, just bought it in the shop here. Figure I gotta get it in plastic. I'll likely send it in later this week.

prooflike

That's a pretty neat error & rather obvious! Good find!

Craton

Very cool! Did you pay much of a premium for it?

poptopsRus

<< <i>Very cool! Did you pay much of a premium for it? >>




'Fraid so.

nwcs

Super neat. I saw it without the scrolling. Wow, wish I could find one of these someday.

poptopsRus

The guy that I bought it from had figured the book value at around $45, needless to say I paid well more than that for the coin. The rest of the collection wasn't exciting.

errormaven

The second strike is quite weak and clearly tilted (the design fades out to nothing the farther into the coin you get). While such a strike is possible, it may also indicate that the second strike was delivered by fake dies.

seanq

Your point is well-made, Mike, but don't forget you're dealing with a nearly 200 yr old coin here. Striking pressure was anything but uniform in 1809. It's also possible the person striking the coin realized his mistake before a full strike was delivered.

The Arconti collection of large cent errors was stuffed with multiply struck cents from the 1790s through the 1810s that had the same sort of look. I don't have any doubt as to the authenticity of the error.


Sean Reynolds

techeff

ok, that's cool!

errormaven

<< <i>Your point is well-made, Mike, but don't forget you're dealing with a nearly 200 yr old coin here. Striking pressure was anything but uniform in 1809. It's also possible the person striking the coin realized his mistake before a full strike was delivered.

The Arconti collection of large cent errors was stuffed with multiply struck cents from the 1790s through the 1810s that had the same sort of look. I don't have any doubt as to the authenticity of the error.


Sean Reynolds >>



Thanks for the background information, Sean. I tend to give these old coins far more latitude than more recent ones for the reasons that you state. Still, I wasn't aware that weak, tilted strikes were so common in early 19th century double strikes. Now, find me that sort of strike in a 20th century coin, and you'll have me salivating.

braddick

Please, let us know how you do with this one and the other Lincoln you featured a week or two back. I'd love to see them in PCGS holders, but until then, I hold judgement that they are forgeries.

seanq

In some cases on these early cent errors, the first strike was the off center strike, and the planchet was cut down and restruck on center. At other times mis-struck large cents were cut down to a smaller diameter and restruck as half cents. The copper was precious enough that very little prevented a coin from being released into circulation - there weren't any waffle-crushers in 1794.


Sean Reynolds

TUMUSS

WOW.....very high on the COOL meter!

dorkkarl

very cool!!!

K S

Conder101

<< <i>The second strike is quite weak and clearly tilted (the design fades out to nothing the farther into the coin you get). While such a strike is possible, it may also indicate that the second strike was delivered by fake dies. >>


Sean is correct, the off-center strike came first and the second on center strike wiped out the evidence of the first strike the closer you get to the center where the pressure of the second strike was greatest. Out toward the edge the pressure was lower and more of the original off-center image survived.

sadysta1

here's another nice exaple

Mrpawn

Far out coin and nice pix - thanks for the look

poptopsRus

Sean is dead on, the first strike is off center and the second is in collar.

EagleEye

It could also, and quite proabably is, struck on a spoiled blank. That would make the off-center strike the first strike, then it was struck correctly.

5 minutes later edit: Geeze, I should read all the posts first.....