1878 8TF Guess the Grade ...

bass

This is a 1878 8TF That I just bought for $500
Can you help me guess the Grade on this coin



Thanks for everybody on this forum
Sam

mgoodm3

65

dthigpen

64

skier07

65 it's tough to access the luster with the overmagnification, but it looks real nice

morgannut2

Are the little hairlines next to the eagles wings on the holder or the coin?

Vet

Nice coin I think the hits on the nose will keep it from 65 maybe 64 the hairlines behind her head in the field maybe light cleaning. Just my opinion.

Larry

Trooper

64

bass

yes I do not know about these hairline cracks. I can only see them in the picture I cannot see them on the coin.. huh !!!

SethChandler

Bodybag for cleaning on the rev. Net value MS60.

mgoodm3

The rev does look a bit buffed next to the wings, didn't see that before.

FC57Coins

I see too much chatter on the face to think that it's more than a 63

Rampage

Stuart

Seth has a sharp eye and I have to agree that the coin appears to have been lightly cleaned on both obverse & reverse, and may not certify as a result. Look closely at the apparently abrasively cleaned (or wiped) open field area between each of the eagle's wings and the wreath.

Bass: I am concerned (on your behalf) that you paid $500 for a raw Morgan, and apparently are not very familiar with them. (i.e your small number of posts and your sig line comment "Just got into coin collection". For instance, the posters are referrring to hairline scratches (not cracks) resulting from abrasional cleaning or wiping of the coin which could make this coin worth about $100 rather than the $500 that you apprently paid.

You would have taken much less risk, and would have been better off having purcased a PCGS MS-64 1878-8TF for about $400-$450. I am not trying to be critical of what you have already done, but am suggesting that you may wish to do things differently in the future.

Do you have the option of returning this coin to the seller for a refund? If so, you may wish to consider exercising that option and taking my advice of going out to the market and finding a PCGS (or NGC) MS-64 1878-8TF that you like. It's a much less risky option for you.

I hope that this information is helpful to you.

earlwbollinger

I don't know I think I see a number of hits and some small tiny scratches on the OBV,
probably a MS64 at best.
I also wonder about if the rim ding at 2 o'clock is too much or not.

prooflike

Go to the link below for the Morgan $ coin grading site -- has all the basics on Morgans

K6AZ

Uncirculated details, cleaned. I hope you have the ability to return it.

kryptonitecomics

I was thinking 64, but the cleaning is evident on both side as mentioned.......not a bad looking coin, but the problems are going to impact this coins value considerably.

Stuart

Bass: I would have sent my comments to you as a personal message, however you first must enable your private message capability in your user profile (see profile select option button above to the right).

kryptonitecomics

Stuart is just a big meanie.....don't let him fool you

bass

Thanks for everybody's input on this forum. I have had this coin checked and it is not cleaned. Scratches on the coin might have reflected on the scanner's light.
I am sending this coin to PCGS for grading and I hope I get good results at least MS 64.
Thanks
Bass

anablep

It looks lightly cleaned, especially on the obverse behind the hair in the field.
I'd say BB by PCGS.
Unc. details, net MS60 Cleaned by ANACS.

Edited to add: If you (Bass) say it's not cleaned, then okay. I'd be hesitant to purchase a 1878 8TF raw for $500. I got a great one raw for $140 and its a solid 64 shot 65.

lava

I don't know a whole lot about vams, especially from memory, but is that a vam 9. If so, that would help explain the price.

coinfreak499

64?

lava

I agree with some of the more conservative posts here.

In the future I would avoid raw coins, particularly if they look like a slider, and particularly if they have questions re marks, strike, etc.

I would not send that coin to PCGS -- try ANACS. If it grades, you can always cross it. You'll learn more from anacs as far as net grade and vam.

Stuart

Bass: I wish you the best of success in your PCGS submission of the 1878-8TF. I sincerely hope that you are right, and that the coin does certify -- but I am doubtful that it will.

Just out of curiosity, did you get an independent objective evaluation of whether or not this coin had been cleaned, or did you have it evaluated by the same party who sold it to you?

Keep us informed of your progress, and please sgare with us the grading results when you receive them back from PCGS.

Vet

Post the results when you get the coin back. Really you should consider some of the opinions here ,you had it check for cleaning, by who.

doop

ms62, lightly cleaned rev, net ? it's a cleaned ms60. value = approx $65-75 bux
looks good for a nice raw set in wayte raymond boards for 10-12 years with a bunch of bounty towels with a heavy color pattern thrown in with and around the boards. it werks...

eagle7

I agree with Jeff, AKA Doop. But take your pick. downgraded to au58 due to extensive hairlining in the fields or ms60 net bb due to cleaning. Which grade PCGS will not give, only a return in a bodybag. Doop is right on the money, 65 to 70 bucks. JMHO.

kryptonitecomics

Yes...good luck and let us know how it turns out....I'll have my fingers crossed for you................maybe the rub marks are on your scanner glass???

lava

As a basis of comparison, take a look at this coin. Given that you can get a slabbed 8tf in 64pl for under $400, I would think you could have gotten a better deal than the one you made, which is one reason I suggested staying away from raw.

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