PCGS MS65 or NGC MS64 *star ?

fivecents

If given a choice which holder and grade would you rather have for your monster toned Morgan and Peace 1$.... PCGS MS65 or NGC MS64*(star)?

Gonfunko

I'd go with the MS -65, since I like higher grades more than a designation that only tells me the NGC graders like my coin.....I'd rather decide that for myself.

Coppernicus

Assuming accurate grading, I'd take the MS65 in a PCGS holder. Generally, but not always, higher resale value. I prefer the style of the PCGS holder also.

Mike

fivecents

I have some gorgeous toned PCGS & NGC Morgan and Peace dollars that are upgrades. I have heard alot of collectors love the NGC star designation. I am trying to figure which way to go....NGC*(star) or PCGS.

CaptainRon

hmmm. are we collecting the plastic or the coin.

TUMUSS

It depends if I am selling it or keeping it....* if I am selling it - 65 if I am keeping it.

fivecents

<< <i>hmmm. are we collecting the plastic or the coin. >>



I rather not sell a MS65 coin that is in a undergraded MS64 holder... smarty pants.

Coppernicus

hmmm. are we collecting the plastic or the coin.

CaptainRon - I prefaced my opinion with the phrase, "Assuming accurate grading..." Thus, I was evaluating the coin first, then which holder I'd rather have it in. I always buy the coin - sometimes the holder can be a bonus in terms of resale value.

Mike

CaptainRon

If we are are talking about the same coin, then how can it be accurate grading with two differant assigned grades. One of the two is wrong.

Now if we are talking about two differant coins, then I would want the COIN that looks better, not which HOLDER looks better.

Coppernicus

<< <i>If we are are talking about the same coin, then how can it be accurate grading with two differant assigned grades. One of the two is wrong. >>



Ron, Ron, Ron - Are you telling me that there's a noticeable difference between a high-end 64 and a low-end 65? Please! I was talking about the same coin though, and I'll stick with the PCGS 65.

Mike

291fifth

PCGS will be more marketable...assuming that the coin is correctly graded. The NGC * bit does nothing for me.

BAJJERFAN

What are the odds of EVER getting a full set of NGC 64*? I'll take the PCGS 65 any day.

tradedollarnut

No doubt the PCGS 65 - not even close. The only choice you need to stress over is between PCGS 64 and NGC 64*.

saintguru

PCGS 65 all day long.

ColonialCoinUnion

I completely, totally and zealously (zealously?) agree with TDN.

The whole NGC * concept is just ridiculous in my opinion. As if a 70 point numerical scale isn't subjective enough, adding a concept of 'eye apeal' is absurd. How can they possibly maintain any consistency in applying that 'standard'?

FrattLaw

You have a better chance at getting the PCGS MS65 than a NGC MS64* From what I've seen NGC is somewhat capricious with their * designation. Which means that if the coin is highend 64 -- low 65 with great color, PCGS will probably give it a bump before NGC will give it a *. But than again NGC might as well.

At Long Beach in June I submitted a 1934 NGC MS64 toned Peace $ for a star designation review. Paid $10, it came back still a MS64, no star. At this past Long Beach I'd figure I'd throw $65 at it and see if I could get a *. I didn't think the coin was a 65, but low and behold NGC give it the 65 and not the *. I'd rather have the coin in a NGC MS64* holder than the 65 because I personally don't think its a 65.

As for marketability, I don't think you'll have a problem selling either a MS64* or a PCGS MS65. The real question is would you rather have a PQ coin in a MS64 holder or a gift in a MS65 holder. You really have to look at the pops and the price difference.

Personally I rather have undergraded coins in any slab.

Michael

dragon

For me, it would depend on the type of toning and which holder the coin looked better in. Some toned pieces look better in the clear PCGS holders, and some in the white NGC ones.

A couple years ago, I cracked out two beautifully toned and undergraded Morgans from the very old (gold hot stamp) NGC MS63PL holders and sent them to PCGS. They both regraded MS65's at PCGS, and I was actually sorry I did that because they looked much cooler in those old NGC holders IMO.

As far as resale value, the PCGS hands down.

dragon

roadrunner

I'm zealously with TDN on this one too. Too many 64* coins out there that imo don't have above average eye appeal, and they may be average or below average 64's on marks or other flaws, but bumped a hair to "*" on color. Not for me.

Most of the "*" coins I see tend to be brighter than the SUN to the point of appearing fake...esp. on type coins. Just because a coin is superbly dipped/conserved to the point of appearing ultra-brite, to me doesn't warrant a * but instead should be issued a warning that the surfaces may appear "unnatural." To each his own.

I'll take the PCGS 65 if the price is the same.

RR

dollardude

I realize that NGC assigns the * designation to attractive coins for the grade. However, IMO, NGC has created a ridiculous and new grading scale that the rest of the market does not use. In other words, NGC MS64* is really NGC MS64.5. I think the market should decide for itself if a coins is attractive or not for the grade, as everyone's taste is different. So, to answer your question, I'd rather have a PCGS MS65 than an NGC MS64*. In fact, I'd rather have a PCGS MS64 than an NGC MS64*, as this ridiculous designation confuses most novice collectors and raises too many questions.

thebeav

I'm taking the "star" every time. For me, eye appeal is what makes it. Not simply a few marks or nicks.....
Paul

TonedCoinTrader

I am a Big Fan of NGC * coins but I would rather have a MS 65 PCGS than a 64* That is still IMO compairing apples with oranges.
NGC Most likely will not give a 65 coin a 64* they will either 65 it or 65* it.

fivecents,
If you are talking about sending in that group of coins you posted in another thread some time ago, If I remember correctly only one
had a chance at gitting a "*" the others were too dark or uneven IMHO. I would send them to PCGS.

Scott

Craton

PCGS MS65

fivecents

<< <i>If we are are talking about the same coin, then how can it be accurate grading with two differant assigned grades. One of the two is wrong. >>


Now you are catching on Cap't Ron......That is one of the reasons people crack coins out of TPG holders.

Thanks all for the great advise. I am going to try for the PCGS point upgrade instead of the NGC*(star) designation.