Sensitive subject: Semi-Flatulent dealer?

bubbleboy

I've never posted before, but have been lurking for quite awhile

This post concerns a dealer, whom I like and have successfully done business with before, perhaps many of you know.
Briefly; I ordered a coin, asked for "the best one" ...paid a premium over the asking price, recieved the PCGS number, registered it in my set....and got a different PCGS coin in the mail.
When asked about what happened, he made a lame excuse, and in response to my next email said they were all sold/promised.
What should I do?

It has been 36 hours since my last email and no reply.

I did use ebays "buy-it-know" to actually purchase this coin ( with prior arrangement with the seller) and paid the extra money via paypal included in the "postage and handling."

......if this changes anything!

Thanks again

DMWJR

Welcome to the boards, and I like the shape of your sign!

Does the coin you recieved meet your expectation? (regardless of whether it has the same slab cert number as the number given to you on the phone earlier)

bubbleboy

Thanks for the reply:
Your sign is nice too! Mine has a few more dents in it....

The coin is OK. It is part of a big submission he made ...and they were all MS 69. The thing that gets me, to make the sale - he promised the best one ....and collected a premium for it. Now .....he appears to be blowing me off. That hurts

wondercoin

"This post concerns a dealer, whom I like and have successfully done business with before"

1. like
2. successfully done business with

now "semi-fraudulent"? Maybe a misunderstanding?

Wondercoin

RBinTex

How do you know he didn't send you the "best" one and the cert # previously provided (graciously as some sellers almost flat out refuse to do that at all - NOT that I agree with them) was from a "worse" one? How much $ are we talking about?

Edited to add: I see nothing even bordering on fraudelent from the facts you have provided thus far.

Datentype

Hi Rory, that would be me. I made the mistake of giving you a cert # before i had the coin but you did get my absolute best one. if you do not like it send it back. I was POUNDED BY SELLING COINS THAT DAY AND I SOLD ALL 14 9'S and I could not keep track of who i was dealing with or I would not have sent the cert # to you as it was a mistake. Why are you bringing this up in a public forum. please feel free to send the coin back if you are not happy.

bubbleboy

Thanks: yes and yes to the first part.

Heck, when your feelings are hurt you don't trust your initial response. That's why I made my very "first" post.
.....Never had this happen before. No idea what is REALLY going on?

I want to find out just what is the proper thing to do.
No name calling, no emotion, no bitterness.
Just no idea what to do?

RBinTex

As Mark said, next time PM the person if you know they have a handle here. e-mail if not. If still no contact, you can get the other party to your eBay transactions' phone number thru eBay. Don't know how? Just ask.

Datentype

Rory, by the way, i have answered every email you have sent about it. I cannot see why you are concerned and calling me a semi-fraudulent dealer. %&$# I have 8,000 pos feedbacks and billion of other deals under my belt and I have never been call semi-fraudulent. There are a couple of losers that have fried me for no reason in the past but i guarantee you i aim to please. I could have sent you that coin with the 666 in the cert number like I told you but when they arrived the next day, it was not my best. like i said if I was not so darn busy that day with emails and deals I would not have sent you an email with the 666 cert number, rather i would have said wait till i get them. I do apologize and i hope you understand my point of view as I do yours.

bubbleboy

Heck, I thought I was being sensitive. Asking advice from people who know, in a anonymous way.
Who knew?

DMWJR

Bubbleboy, click "profile" and turn your PM on. Then maybe you and Mark can take this matter private. Now that you are talking, no need for us to be chiming in.

Keep posting, and don't take this thread as a negative.

wondercoin

asked for "the best one" ...paid a premium over the asking price

Just curious - Did you say the premium was postage and handling? That was the "premium"?

I would have gladly paid a few hundred extra dollars to get the best coin personally. Do you want to sell your coin right now for a profit - just PM me and we can discuss it privately.

Wondercoin

bubbleboy

Thanks, Doug

To put the best face upon "the misunderstanding"
I was just asking for ADVICE.
From people who know more than I do.

Now, does anyone know where I can get a 2003-D Sac in MS68?

Datentype

"It is part of a big submission he made ...and they were all MS 69" here's the invoice number/link hardly all ms69's

Invoice 3212474

bubbleboy

Let it drop!

Missunderstanding, is all.

and poor choice of words, by me.

I'll be the first: I'm Sorry,

I mean it!

colorman3

I have done many thousands of dollars in deals with Datentype. He is a respected, trustworthy individual and most important of all a good person ! A+ in my estimation. He has always been there for info and has supplied me extremely hard to find Washington Clads over the years in high grade.

I think you have made a serious mis judgment in this case. If Datentype made a mistake, he will make it right.....BELIEVE IT !

Have a nice day,

colorman3

WalkerGuy

You guys blow me away on this one! Here is a guy, seems by his comments to be pretty new at this, that asks a legitimate question. Names no names, does not indicate anyone by location, and the other party identifies himself and all at once everyone is climbing down the poor guys back, that just ask a question.
This is a sure way to keep new people off the boards!
The seller could have just as easily sent an email to the buyer in absense of PM capability and settled this, but chose instead to go public with his identity.
Bubbleboy, just put on your cast iron barbwire jockstrap and let them kick away. When the forum decides to crucify you, they will regardless of the answers given, or questions asked. Kinda sad.
Dick

GOLDGUY

The Thread title obviously caught my attention and I think my response to the initial post would mirror that of WalkerGuy.

But that part of it aside, does anybody else find the part about "submitting an invoice of coins . . . . getting back 14 MS69's . . . . sending you the best one" a humorous statement?

Now, its not my intention to upset collectors of modern coinage -- In fact, I'd truly like someone to teach me about that market. But as a dealer with a small niche in the more classic series, I was just trying to imagine my euphoria with a PCGS invoice that had a bunch of 69 grades listed! Second, I found it sorta gutsy for Datentype to publicly exclaim that he sent bubbleboy the best one of the group -- perhaps making bubbleboy happy, but also risking upsetting 13 other clients.

joeyuk

I think it good a collector would want high end for the grade and be willing to pay a premium for it. He handeled it in a more professional way then I have seen in the past. When I received a coin with the diferent cert. number I would wonder if a mistake was made also but if I was willing to trust the seller to send the best one there is no reason to think he did not. As was mentioned previously if the coin is nice there should be no problem.

edit to add: When I read the title of this thread I thought the seller had gas.

bubbleboy

Thanks, Joe:
Title was edited.
Yes, Everything is again OK, between me and the (once anomymous) seller.
Shows just how important clear communication is.
Especially to The new guy



Now, can anyone help The new guy
find a 2003-D Sacagawea in MS 68?

shylock

Sensitive subject: Semi-Flatulent dealer?

Just noticed you smoothed over the thread title today. I was going to suggest a gift certificate for a colon cleanse and a bottle of Beano but never mind

Datentype

I'm glad you guys are having fun! Guilty as charged!

cosmicdebris

It's starting to stink around here.

Sandhawk

michael

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Sunday September 12, 2004 3:49 PM



Sensitive subject: Semi-Flatulent dealer?

Just noticed you smoothed over the thread title today. I was going to suggest a gift certificate for a colon cleanse and a bottle of Beano but never mind
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well i am not a dealer but if i was........... you would not WANT to do any biz with me

as i am tooting all night long a full orchestra!! most nights of the week and the toots are loud and nuclear


michael

pontiacinf

I thought flatulance = poop...am I missing something?

michael

hi there bill!!


an accumulation of gas in the intestinal tract....... this is the defination most always/usually associated with this term

but a secondary defination of flatulence is a pompos boastful person it was used by many in the 19 century lessoning to the 1950's but its usage for a boastful person has mostly gone by the wayside in our current times

that is why it is listed in the websters dictionary as a secondary defination



and this is what the original thread holder meant.....

flatulance is wind as in a boastful person full of hot air but again currently it is most all of the time associated with the wind that is blown out of the behind

and i can tell you this i am extremely flatulant in terms of the behind

do not bill send me any of your blast white brilliant proof coins for examination as they would turn in their holders if in my living space for any length of time



michael

DMWJR

Bill, the thread title changed. The initial word used was the more inflammatory word "fraudulent." The new guy posting was kind enough to change the title to the less inflammatory, however smellier word "flatulent."

I think the description fits better.

pontiacinf

Hiya Michael

always good to see you stomping around. Thanks for the explanation mike&dmwjr...I thought I was going crazy this am...mustve been over tired.

majorbigtime

Semi-Flatulent dealer?


Does that mean he farts a bit???

tgilliams

looks like both of you are on the same page. no harm done. just miscommunication, the seller is top-notch and his coins are superb.