Strange rev die clash on 87P dime

JRocco

There is a pretty strong clash on the rev of this dime, but it doesn't appear to match the obverse properly. Any opinions on this or explanations?

sliderider

Rotated die, maybe?

shylock

I agree that it doesn't match the obverse, I just played around with it in photoshop. Very interesting!

shylock

I tried rotating a possible obverse clash and couldn't get it to match

darktone

I can see the head of Roosevelt on the reverse pretty clearly. I have noticed many clash dies in this series. The rotated dies makes it even neater. mike

rich

Nice find. How is the obverse Normal ?

cladking

<< <i>I tried rotating a possible obverse clash and couldn't get it to match >>



It looks very close to me. Can you post a picture? The back of the head is just a little funny.

JRocco

Obverse is normal. Here is another angle- I can't figure it out.

shylock

Darktone is right -- Jeez, I was trying to match this with a Merc obverse I had in my files! Hey, I'm an IH guy

Overlay that almost matches (the obverse is rotated 180 degrees and flipped horizontally)

JRocco

Thanks shylock. You know, try as I may to imagine that in my mind, I could not complete the match. But there it is- 100%. Thanks again for your help, and expertise with photoshop

cladking

<< <i>Thanks shylock. You know, try as I may to imagine that in my mind, I could not complete the match. But there it is- 100%. Thanks again for your help, and expertise with photoshop >>



The back of the head still doesn't look exactly right where the hair line changes direction
at the back of the head. It appears much steeper on the clash than on the obverse. Per-
haps it has something to do with the way the dies met up or were distorted by the impact
in this area.

JRocco

I'm not sure I know where you mean cladking.

TWODOGS

That looks like a regular dieclash to me.

cladking

<< <i>I'm not sure I know where you mean cladking. >>



...the line created by the indention under the CA in AMERICA.

shylock

Cladking: JRocco's pic was taken at a slight angle -- it's slightly eliptical in shape which you would only notice if you tried to crop it with a perfect circle. I matched it with an image that was dead-on circular, so they just don't fit snuggly. The clash under the CA of AMERICA (Roosevelt's nose) and some other areas don't match up perfectly as a result. When doing overlays like this both images should be imaged at exactly the same 90 degree angle.

JRocco: clashes sources are confusing to sort out. Board member Lakesammman gave me a great lesson on this a while back in regards to IH clashes. You have to imagine what the obverse design would look like impressed on the reverse when the dies struck each other, which is a brain teaser. All the design elements are reversed from what you see on the obverse, and it's incuse instead of relief. Photoshop makes it a lot easier to understand that by flipping the coin 180 degrees and then once again horizontally.