Ebay and photo editing
ibzman350
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I know it's only a $10 coin, but that didn't keep the seller from f
with the coin.
Sellers pic
My pic
Herb
with the coin.Sellers pic
My pic
Herb
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Russ, NCNE
I haven't checked to see if he's left feedback for me, if he has I'm gonna neg his a**.
Herb
<< <i>Herb, for $10 I wouldn't even sweat it. Just don't bid on his stuff again, and leave no feedback. >>
huh??? i thought you were the anti-fraud champion!!!
you should neg the he11 outta this whack-job. THAT is FRAUD, plain & simple.
K S
Joe.
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<< <i>Herb, for $10 I wouldn't even sweat it. Just don't bid on his stuff again, and leave no feedback. >>
huh??? i thought you were the anti-fraud champion!!! you should neg the he11 outta this whack-job. THAT is FRAUD, plain & simple. K S >>
I agree.
Intent and motive, not profit, defines the fraud.
Just because this Seller wasn't so good at it so as to draw a higher price for the auction shouldn't let him off the hook.
peacockcoins
USMC Veteran 1981-1992
Cold War Veteran
It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
i agree totally w/ what braddick said. by leaving no neg, this whack-job is REWARDED for what he did, & positive reinforcement is just as powerful an influence as punishment.
i'm sure allen hagaar started out small too.
K S
With all due respect and with my apparentely more extensive knowledge af scans (since I only use a scanner for coin photos) this is more likely the result of a crappy scan or scanner as opposed to a doctored photo.
IMO. Joe.
Joe.
I have a hard time seeing any clear portion on that first image.
I also have a hard time believing $10 was $4 too much on that coin.
Blow up the image and you'll see there are large squares of uniform pixels in those areas. This is done with a blur filter. A lousy scanner shouldn't selectively blur parts of the pic.
Go back up to the first post, and look at Herb's large blow-up of the scratches. Now look at this:
I exaggerated the blur, but you should get the idea. This was done with the Gaussian blur filter in Photoshop.
<< <i>I also have a hard time believing $10 was $4 too much on that coin. >>
So how much do you think it was worth?
I'd have to agree with you on the blur filter. The coin was definitely altered. Being a photoshop junkie, it's not hard to tell what Barry is talking about. Even if this was a $10 coin, there was definite intent to falsely represent the coin. Eric, you are right also. It is smart to pick your battles, and $4 is not something to go to war over. Although, if you are fighting for the principal of the thing, this is a good chance to kick someone out of the picture while they are still small. Maybe a good neg in the profile (after contacting the seller, that is) will be enough to steer him back on the straight and narrow.
09/07/2006
What did the auction description say?
USMC Veteran 1981-1992
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It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
Reading your comments on the image doctoring has me really confused now, I'm not sure wether it has or has not been messed with, thanx for all the input.
the Seller said to send the coin back, that too isn't worth the hassel
Eric your right it ain't worth getting all worked up over. I haven't left feedback and I think, since I'm not sure wether he did or didn't, I'll not leave any feedback at all.
Herb
Since the seller was genuine enough to offer a refund, I don't feel he would've edited the picture.
USMC Veteran 1981-1992
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It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
Well, if they'll do it on a 10 dollar coin, they'll do it on higher buck coins too, and someone that doesn't know the telltale signs of blurring or other editting tools could be taken badly.
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09/07/2006
<< <i>Herb, for $10 I wouldn't even sweat it. Just don't bid on his stuff again, and leave no feedback. >>
What a woos!
Whether it's $10 or thou$and$, it's a mater of principle. I say NEG 'em with a statement that the photo was doctored!!
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<< <i>Herb, for $10 I wouldn't even sweat it. Just don't bid on his stuff again, and leave no feedback. >>
What a woos!
Whether it's $10 or thou$and$, it's a mater of principle. I say NEG 'em with a statement that the photo was doctored!! >>
Yes, and your attitude is why your feedback profile looks like a train wreck. This coin has a melt value of $5.11. $4.89 (if you feel the coin is only worth melt) is not worth getting into an email or feedback war over.
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<< <i>Herb, for $10 I wouldn't even sweat it. Just don't bid on his stuff again, and leave no feedback. >>
What a woos!
Whether it's $10 or thou$and$, it's a mater of principle. I say NEG 'em with a statement that the photo was doctored!! >>
Yes, and your attitude is why your feedback profile looks like a train wreck. This coin has a melt value of $5.11. $4.89 (if you feel the coin is only worth melt) is not worth getting into an email or feedback war over. >>
If a 98.6 positive feedback in over 300 transactions is a "train wreck", I plead "guilty". All 4 of my NEGs were retalatory, and I note thae you have earned 3 NEGs yourself!
If I were ibzman, I'd galdly risk another by leaving a deserving big red NEG! That's the whole purpose of feedback, to forewarn others. Far too many are afraid of retalation to leave deserving nuetrals and NEGs IMO!!
<< <i>If a 98.6 positive feedback in over 300 transactions is a "train wreck", I plead "guilty". All 4 of my NEGs were retalatory, and I note thae you have earned 3 NEGs yourself! >>
Yes, three out of nearly 800 transactions, and all from sales. Two retaliatories from non paying bidders, and one from a jerk who bid only to post negative feedback.
I'm not just talking your numbers, but some of the ridiculous follow ups and replies you have made, not only on your feedback received, but feedback left.
It is just a bad, low res scan. I blew up the original scan, there is NO sign of using a blur tool. Barry, your example is just what you think you see, and a bad attempt at using the blur tool.
I use photoshop everyday for my work so I know what to look for. There are much better and very easy ways to hide scratches in the fields.
We have had this argument before, and no doubt someone will still argue the point further, but bad low res scans often have isolated areas that look blurry. When you blow up that first scan you can see the pixels have NOT been altered.
Having said this, I believe people use photo shop tricks all the time to make their coins look better, but in this particular case I think the self appointed ebay cops are wrong.
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<< <i>If a 98.6 positive feedback in over 300 transactions is a "train wreck", I plead "guilty". All 4 of my NEGs were retalatory, and I note thae you have earned 3 NEGs yourself! >>
Yes, three out of nearly 800 transactions, and all from sales. Two retaliatories from non paying bidders, and one from a jerk who bid only to post negative feedback.
I'm not just talking your numbers, but some of the ridiculous follow ups and replies you have made, not only on your feedback received, but feedback left. >>
Hmmmmm! Is the kettle calling the pot black??
You have some jucy bile reflected in your feedback and comments too! Let's face it, folks tend to "fight fire with fire" in feedback and comments, and I beleive this is entirely to be expected under the circumstances. You can only use a few works, so take your best shot!
IMO, there should be a lot more discourse in the feedback to let others know more about disputes. Most can readily read between the lines and make their own determinations regarding the discourse.
<< <i>You don't know what you are talking about. So please show us all some examples. >>
You asked for it (which is an authorization to republish)!!! A few examples (with some appropriate redactions) of feedback received & given are as follows:
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Tells lies about [redacted] and me, disappointed with service and quality of coin
Buyer thesourceforu(private) Jun-17-03 14:32 3020039983
Reply by k6az: Bid on this auction solely to post this neg fb. The truth about [redacted] is out. Jun-17-03 14:58
Follow-up by thesourceforu: The truth about your obsession with [redacted] will be your dounfall, good luck Jun-19-03 14:39
Complaint : Took the coin to a PCGS dealer, he told me the coin was professionally doctored
Response by k6az - Coin came out of original bag, not 'doctored'- Did not ask to return
Follow-up by hunterguy - the last original bag sold decades ago, you are a con artist from the VA HILLS
Complaint : NEVER BUY FROM YOU AGAIN sent to NGC coin has been recolored BAG GUY
Response by k6az - This was sabotage. See http://www.k6az.com/setup.htm for more info.
Follow-up by geraldazz - cracked them out to upgrade came back recolored, never buy from you again
Red Devil Website exudes such hatred, reap what you sow, super crappy coins
Buyer thesourceforu(private) Jun-15-03 10:41 3018815965
Reply by k6az: This current employee of [redacted} bid on my auction soley to post negative feedback. Jun-15-03 13:21
Follow-up by thesourceforu: You been attacking [redacted] for 3 years, what does that have to do with selling junk Jun-15-03 19:18
When we had the talk. I said I did not bid on your item.Get it right.I sell kniv
Buyer anglefires ( 265) Dec-13-01 19:01 1288147516
Reply by k6az: Retaliatory Neg by a NPB. She sells knives, but buys nothing but coins. Dec-13-01 19:42
rayagoldina (private)(NARU)(Removed) Jul-14-03 13:52:09 PDT 3025444561 S
Complaint : Why K6AZ you sold me a POLISHED COIN? I paid for Black & White CAMEO
Response by k6az - Bid on this 99 SBA $ proof in orig. mint box just to place this bogus negative
coinbuyer88( 2 )(NARU)(Removed) Jun-20-03 09:17:59 PDT 3025439460 S
Complaint : Very convoluted transaction. emails back and forth...No phone #..Forget about it
Response by k6az - Another in a series of neg. designed to harass me. $5 item never paid for.
thesourceforu
didn't receive prompt check. I offered to send another. No, he cancels sale!!!
Buyer snookredfishtarpontrout ( 59)
no longer a registered user Dec-13-01 12:32 1299482547
Reply by k6az: Retaliatory negative. I waited 17 days. He didn't bother to email me for 12 days Dec-13-01 12:52
Follow-up by snookredfishtarpontrout: You are a LIAR !!! Checked Out within 4 days. You got that email you LIAR !!! Dec-24-01 06:53
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I believe the foregoing supports my statement "You have some jucy bile reflected in your feedback and comments too!"
Hey, I'm not sayiing that you are off-base. To the contrary, I beleive you should express yourself as I do. I wouldn't call your feedback history a "train wreck" !
You have an excellent feedback history, as I do. I strongly beleive a person should speak out when and as warranted, as you have done. Hence my "woos" remark when you said << Herb, for $10 I wouldn't even sweat it. Just don't bid on his stuff again, and leave no feedback. >>
I don't believe a person should willingly accept a screwing, even if it's only $10, without having an opportunity to undress first!! If the photo was indeed doctored ("if" is a big little word), a big red NEG is warranted IMO!
<< <i>Very nice. Three of those came from employees and friends of ACG. Two of them came from non paying bidders, one of which is now NARU. Next. >>
Bile is bile, regardless of the justification.
All 4 of my NEGs were retalatory from sellers with whom I had a disagreement (2 misrepresented items and refused to accept return for refund (one of 'em said "a return policy applies to this auction"), one was from someone who thought I would reneig because I bought a like item from someone else, and the 4th was from a jerk who insisted on paypal payment w/i 24 hours when paypal was down).
There is no reason for the two of us to banty this around anymore. Let's just agree to disagree! After all, "who cares?".
We are all guilty at times of jumping to the wrong conclusion. The most dangerous conclusions are those you reach when you are absolutely positively sure but unfortunately are wrong. They lead to bad things. Like name calling.
Let's all just get along.
Joe.
The reason I hang out here is for threads like this, again I've learned something from you guys, ...don't jump to conclusions ! I had this guy pegged as doctoring the photo, of course I still don't know, some say yea others say nay. But hey I feel better about the whole deal, I'll move on, not buy from the guy again and it's all good!!
Herb
<< <i>There are better ways than the blur tool to get rid of stracthes
You are extremely talented with your editing and without the original image to tip off the "cut and paste" or "pixel replacement" techniques used in replacing the damaged area the hard edges of the doctoring would not be so evident.
There is a point of note however, the clear "pit" in the area of the scratches in the original posted images that would aid in identifying image doctoring is missing from your fine example. If the seller were troubling themself enough to doctor the image why didn't they take out the scratch by the first "U"? This thread has me wanting to download every image from every auction to look for the telltale signs of image editing.
Not all of the highlights in my posted image were replaced but the two areas on the left are the "out of focus" areas in the original sellers image consistant with the "out of focus" area where the damage shows in the better images. It took me about 10 minutes just to highlight those areas and I'm sure more than that for your fine example. That's just too much effort for a possible net $4 - $8 gain in final bid price especially if I had >250 auctions to attend as this seller does.
I think this case is an example of "rush to post" without ensuring the image was indeed clear and focused. Most likely this "rush to post" was to ensure his customers had plenty to look at when they came to view his auctions. When you are a seller on eBay nothing kills getting bids faster than not having auctions to view when people click the "view sellers other auctions" link.
USMC Veteran 1981-1992
Cold War Veteran
It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
While I think you're right that the ebay picture wasn't selectively blurred, it doesn't matter. The seller was still wrong in not describing a major detraction that didn't show in the picture.
<< <i>Here's another one to analyze, Catfish.
While I think you're right that the ebay picture wasn't selectively blurred, it doesn't matter. The seller was still wrong in not describing a major detraction that didn't show in the picture. >>
LOL, Nice smiley!!!!
USMC Veteran 1981-1992
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It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
Nice job of "fixing" my coin.
Herb
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