Show Report: New York Invitational
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So I headed out for the long trek (read: 40 minute train ride, and a few blocks by bus) to New York City to attend today's show.
The bourse seemed quite busy, but it looked like a lot of dealer-to-dealer traffic. The show had a good number of dealers (guess: 100 or so), with lots of high-end material. That said, I was kind of disappointed that today's game was not "find something I like," but "find something I can afford." Accordingly, I walked away with a toned JFK, and a wicked toned Franklin (pics pending).
Although there wasn't a ton for me to buy, I did see some amazing pieces, such as:
1907 (I think) PCGS PR64/Matte $10 Indian--unique
Pan-Pac Octagonal $50, NGC MS67
1794 $1, PCGS XF40
1795 $1, PCGS MS63
1793 Chain Cent, PCGS AU55
...and more cam/dcam classic gold than I can count, as well as some fantastic early examples in mint state, and overall, just amazing, museum-quality classic coins from all series. A few tables, including Legend's, simply couldn't avoid gawking and drooling.
I spent some time talking with the people at the NGC table, and got a little advice on a few toners from David Lange and Mike Salzburg. I also saw DaveG, Johnscoins, Julian, Bustman, mreureka, and njcoincrank. It was a fun day, but there just wasn't much for me
On that note, since the weather here is aweful, I won't be returning tomorrow as planned.
On an aside, regarding the post a few days ago about dealers who buy it all: One local dealer had a sign "We buy it all!" Problem was, he told people, when they came with coins for sale, "I have a motto: buy at the store, sell at the show. I don't buy at shows." So why on earth did he have that sign?
Jeremy
The bourse seemed quite busy, but it looked like a lot of dealer-to-dealer traffic. The show had a good number of dealers (guess: 100 or so), with lots of high-end material. That said, I was kind of disappointed that today's game was not "find something I like," but "find something I can afford." Accordingly, I walked away with a toned JFK, and a wicked toned Franklin (pics pending).
Although there wasn't a ton for me to buy, I did see some amazing pieces, such as:
1907 (I think) PCGS PR64/Matte $10 Indian--unique
Pan-Pac Octagonal $50, NGC MS67
1794 $1, PCGS XF40
1795 $1, PCGS MS63
1793 Chain Cent, PCGS AU55
...and more cam/dcam classic gold than I can count, as well as some fantastic early examples in mint state, and overall, just amazing, museum-quality classic coins from all series. A few tables, including Legend's, simply couldn't avoid gawking and drooling.
I spent some time talking with the people at the NGC table, and got a little advice on a few toners from David Lange and Mike Salzburg. I also saw DaveG, Johnscoins, Julian, Bustman, mreureka, and njcoincrank. It was a fun day, but there just wasn't much for me
On that note, since the weather here is aweful, I won't be returning tomorrow as planned.On an aside, regarding the post a few days ago about dealers who buy it all: One local dealer had a sign "We buy it all!" Problem was, he told people, when they came with coins for sale, "I have a motto: buy at the store, sell at the show. I don't buy at shows." So why on earth did he have that sign?
Jeremy
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The family is thinking of tagging along. Any suggestions on things nearby to keep them busy? I was thinking about the Museum of TV and Radio, or the UN. Anything else relatively close and good for a few hours?
You failed to mention the good stuff. Any FE, IHC or small cent pattern "monsters"??
Can you tell me more about the logistics behind the "invitational" nature of the show. I know what it implies, but can you be more specific. I am glad you had a good time.
Brian
As far as I could tell, it was like any other coin show: You pay your admittance fee, fill out a postcard with your name and address, get a name tag and walk into the show.
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It was good to see you. I went looking for you after towards the end of the show to show you what I picked up. I wound up staying for the Jung auction. And as I suspected, all of my bids were blown out of the water. Just glad I had the chance to take a look at the Jung coins in person!!
I had that walker taken out of the case to see it... what an unbelieveable piece! You really should have taken a looksie... red and green (neon) with incredible lustre (NGC fatty 66, by the way)... something like 5+ times bluesheet
<< <i>You failed to mention the good stuff. Any FE, IHC or small cent pattern "monsters"?? >>
There were some incredible examples of all--amazing colors, amazing grades... just fantastic all around--I wish I had more money! Legend's case was breathtaking.
<< <i>Can you tell me more about the logistics behind the "invitational" nature of the show. >>
They want coin geek losers to feel special by allowing them to say they were "invited"
Jeremy
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09/07/2006
I did see the Walker. Very pretty, but I thought it was a touch dark. And, like you said, a bit pricey!!
<< <i>I don't know why they call it an "Invitational."
As far as I could tell, it was like any other coin show: You pay your admittance fee, fill out a postcard with your name and address, get a name tag and walk into the show. >>
Next year you'll get an invitation.
I got a "$5 discount admission" postcard this year. (They must have borrowed the NY International Show's mailing list.)
I guess I didn't realize that I should go all weak in the knees about my "invitation".
Hey, that must mean I'm "special"!
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Hmmmm, I parked at 85th Street and Lexington Ave at a free parking space on the street and walked one block to the subway and paid $4 for round trip subway trains on New York's #1 subway line (the #6 line) to 42nd street with was 1/8 block from the hotel, mostly covered walkway!
It helps to have lived in New York City for a decade.
But $30 these days for valet parking at that hotel is not a lot of money anymore!!!!!!!!
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I had not ridden the subways in 5 years and was AMAZED!
Reminds me of the Toronto and London lines!!!!!!!
When I got into the show room, I was surprised how small it was. There weren't a lot of dealers there. From the number of empty tables, I'd say about 1/3 of them already left by Saturday morning. As long as I'm being critical, I might as well complain about the way the room was set up - too many "squares" with cross aisles. It was difficult to just walk up and down aisles to see everything with this setup. Guess I'm spoiled with the long aisle approach from shows like Baltimore. Also, there weren't a lot a buyers walking around, which was a plus as far as I'm concerned. It gave me time to liesurely talk with several dealers. Several asked me what I was looking for, and pulled stuff out that wasn't displayed. A couple of dealers wanted to start a want-list for me, but I declined for a few reasons:
1. I've given want lists to a few dealers at shows in the past, at their request, not mine, and have NEVER gotten a call from any of them.
2. Just in case they really are looking for my needs, I don't want too many dealers looking for the same coins, as they are relatively low pop coins, and it could drive the price up (or am I being silly on this point?)
Even with the relative lack of business transpiring, I've never seen more dealer cases covered up with briefcases, papers, CDN binders, etc. When are these guys going to learn? Hide your inventory, no sale.
As others already stated, there was LOTS of high end stuff. One dealer had just about every slab in his case labelled as a pop top or close to it. The busiest table I saw was a dealer I know from local Phila shows who had "everyday man's" coins.
Despite my complaints, the trip wasn't a total loss. Although I didn't fill any holes, I did upgrade one coin which was on my upgrade list - a 1798 dime in VF which I purchased from Julian.
In summary, I probably won't go next year. The show is too small to warrant taking a day off to go Friday, and with a good number of dealers gone on Saturday, it's not worth the trip.
And finally, Orville said:
<< <i>Hmmmm, I parked at 85th Street and Lexington Ave at a free parking space on the street and walked one block to the subway and paid $4 for round trip subway trains on New York's #1 subway line (the #6 line) to 42nd street with was 1/8 block from the hotel, mostly covered walkway!
It helps to have lived in New York City for a decade.
Oreville, FYI, when you get off the subway, you don't have to go outside of Grand Central to get into the hotel. Just walk into the main concourse, and follow the first hallway east that parallels 42nd St, and you'll see a door on your right that leads into the Hyatt.
<< <i>As others already stated, there was LOTS of high end stuff. One dealer had just about every slab in his case labelled as a pop top or close to it. >>
Did he still have the PanPac?
<< <i>Did he still have the PanPac? >>
Don't know. I'm not into Commems.
<< <i>
<< <i>Did he still have the PanPac? >>
Don't know. I'm not into Commems. >>
I doubt you could miss an MS67 octagonal $50 gold...
The Pan Pac was awesome as well as the Patterns Kagin had in his case. The MS68 Disme was awesome.
09/07/2006
<< <i>The MS68 Disme was awesome. >>
Oh yeah, that one, too... also the same dealer
1907 (I think) PCGS PR64/Matte $10 Indian--unique
Pan-Pac Octagonal $50, NGC MS67
1794 $1, PCGS AU58
1795 $1, PCGS MS63
1793 Chain Cent, PCGS AU55
A PCGS AU58 1794 Dollar??? Could you please elaborate? So far, the PCGS Pop report shows zero in AU58, so it would have to be a new coin. Could you reveal who was displaying the coin?
That would be a useful piece of information for my research.
Thanks,
Cardinal
With a few people chiming it, it's very possible that I got the grade wrong
A- Don't remember who had it
B- Can't be certain of the grade anymore
I think I'll have to leave it as a 1794 dollar in at least XF... sorry
Oh, on a brighter note, there was also a 1792 disme in MS68 and a 1926-S NGC MS65* buffalo with a razor-sharp strike
Jeremy
<< <i>Jeremy, was it perhaps a Half Disme and not a Disme you saw ?
Oh, can it feld! This was a REAL rarity
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Not an easy coin to grade.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Thanks for all the info!!! It really is amazing what a source of information these forums can be!
--Cardinal
I just made a 67
Ok, that's not true, either
Did you see the pr68 1804 dollar at the show?
09/07/2006
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