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wybritwybrit Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭
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Just found out my grades from the recent mailing of 16 coins to NGC. Most fell in line with expectations, two were BB'ed and there were a couple of big surprises.


Surprises:
1855 Halfpenny - a nice red and brown piece, what I thought might go MS-62, went MS63RB.
1854 Penny, plain trident - I held my breath hoping for MS-62 or better. NGC gave it MS64BN.

I submitted two 1919H pennies for grading. One was purchased as UNC from Colin Cooke and the other was found at the last MN Northwest Expo graded VF/EF by the dealer. I felt both would get an AU grade, but on the high side, since the strike was poor. I'm not sure yet which one got what grade, but I am ecstatic about both results: #1 was MS64BN and #2 was MS63BN. image

As expected:
1870 threepence MS62
1870 threepence #2 BB (oh well, didn't hurt to ask)image
1875 threepence MS61
1875 threepence #2 MS62
1853 sixpence MS63
1893 shilling #2 MS64
1900 shilling MS63

Disappointments
1888 groat BB for AT image The biggest disappointment of the day. Knowing where it came from, I am quite certain the previous owner did not do it.
1858 shilling MS63 - I really thought this was 64 minimum, maybe 65. It is better than some of the 64s I do have.
1891 shillings (x2) both MS63 - again, I thought 64 easily on these. The fields are breathtaking, much better than what is typically found on MS specimens.
1893 shilling #1 MS62 - thought that would be a 63, but no better.

What might have been
At the last minute, I pulled my 1860 toothed border halfpenny, currently my signature coin and personal favorite, out of the shipment. I decided to keep it free - well, in an airtite.
Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.

Comments

  • MSD61MSD61 Posts: 3,382 ✭
    Sorry about your disappointments wybrit but the rest of the grades and the suprises were not bad at all.image
    Omnicoin
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>At the last minute, I pulled my 1860 toothed border halfpenny, currently my signature coin, out of the shipment. I decided to keep it free - well, in an airtite. >>


    Well, firstly I'm glad to see that sanity ruled that decision. image Heaven forbid some chowderhead would "thumb" the '60.


    << <i>1888 groat BB for AT The biggest disappointment of the day. Knowing where it came from, I am quite certain the previous owner did not do it. >>

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    Show us a pic of that one again. Like, who in the Isles gives a rip about AT'ing?

    Nice to see the copper excel!
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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭
    Show us a pic of that one again. Like, who in the Isles gives a rip about AT'ing?

    Here you go. The picture tends to lighten the toning somewhat. Maybe the spotting is AT.

    image
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats on the 1919 H 1d results... It looks as if you did quite well. I am sorry that the 1853 shilling and the two 1891 shillings did not do as well as you expected... overall, you done good.

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  • pythonpython Posts: 1,158
    A few really nice surprises. Nice going.image
  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Show us a pic of that one again. Like, who in the Isles gives a rip about AT'ing?

    Here you go. The picture tends to lighten the toning somewhat. Maybe the spotting is AT.

    image >>



    I like that Groat, BB or not!
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  • AvarelAvarel Posts: 143 ✭✭
    Nice job on the 3ds. You have my address already for shipping I believe. image

    What did the '70 3d get bodybagged for?

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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭
    It got BB'ed for being "stained."
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭
    Nice grades Wybrit!! image I bet the Cooke 1919h 1d got the 64. image
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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭
    I bet the Cooke 1919h 1d got the 64.

    I'm not sure it did, but I'll know in about a week.

    It's hardly fair to compare the coins here since the first image is a scan and the second a digipic, but here they are. Again, I don't know which one got the '64.

    image
    ex-Colin Cooke

    image
    The "VF/EF" coin
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    The Cooke piece looks a touch better, but those designs are well nigh impossible to judge in a pixilated form anyway, much less any other digital image. Anyway, good show again.
  • LloydLloyd Posts: 887 ✭


    << <i>The Cooke piece looks a touch better, but those designs are well nigh impossible to judge in a pixilated form anyway, much less any other digital image. Anyway, good show again. >>



    I sell a lot of pennies and halfpennies from this early to mid George V era. You ought to see the emails I get for overgrading. Probably the dealer who was dumb enough to sell you the one graded VF/EF is one of my correspondents.

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  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    Great results ! image

    Your sigline looks like an MS64RD to me. image
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  • LloydLloyd Posts: 887 ✭


    << <i>Great results ! image

    Your sigline looks like an MS64RD to me. image >>



    It might be higher, Dimitri ...

    I don't know, would they downgrade for evidence of clashed dies? Just about every MS 1860 1/2d has this in spades on both obv and reverse.

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  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Not bad overall results congrats
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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭
    The 1860 halfpenny ought to be 65 or better. It hasn't got a mark on it that I could see. There is a slight touch of a fingerprint and that is about it...
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭
    I sell a lot of pennies and halfpennies from this early to mid George V era. You ought to see the emails I get for overgrading. Probably the dealer who was dumb enough to sell you the one graded VF/EF is one of my correspondents.

    I doubt that dealer would do it - he's too nice of a chap, actually.

    He's one of the very few in this neck of the woods who does have nice British coins and has a stock that turns over. I won't get a lot of surprise deals from him either way, since he's one of the best US graders of British and world coins I've come across - very, very little of his stock is over- or undergraded. Franklly, I didn't even take the time to carefullly inspect the 1919H when I found it, because I trusted his grading. I knew the price he was offering for the coin was fair for its assigned grade, so I just bought it. When I got the penny home and looked at it under glass and scope, I knew I had something much better.

    I could see why he happened to grade it the way he did, because of the soft strike on the obverse. It is much softer than the comparable coins from the Tower mint.
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find your results very interesting wybrit. It seems with the exception of the 1919H pennies and the one BB, your grading and NGC's gradings were one one point off on average. This is pretty good for NGC considering you know your stuff and are not a 'loose' grader.

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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭
    BTW ajaan - thanks for your help and answers to my questions on this...
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't know, would they downgrade for evidence of clashed dies? >>


    ANACS apparently doesn't as evidenced by the 1875 1/2d. which I have which was graded as MS65RED, and it does have clashing. That 1860 1/2d. looks to be at least MS65RED. The TPGs rarely toss out 66s but in this case it looks like a keen possibility. image
  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    Good results, sir! I especially like the 1919-H grades. Of course, that makes it an impossible coin for me to buy from you now. image Do you really think the groat is AT?

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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭
    Do you really think the groat is AT?

    1jester, I am simply not sure. I am a total novice in all matters AT and I am quite sure that the seller of the coin did not doctor it, since I have seen his entire collection and not one toned coin such as this exists in it. This coin came from a Victorian type set that had many subtle rim-toners in it, including this one:

    image

    This toning is most assuredly not artificial - it probably came from being in its slot in the Whitman album for so many years.

    Since AT was not all the rage until recent years, I would question at least whether the toning of the groat was artificial.
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • oldshepoldshep Posts: 3,240 ✭
    Sounds like you have some really nice coins there - interesting post.image
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