PR: 1866 No Motto Seated Dollar to be presented at Baltimore

BaltimoreCoinConv

News Flash: The recently recovered 1866 No Motto Seated Dollar,
which was stolen in the DuPont robbery in 1967 will be at the March
11-14, 2004 Baltimore Coin and Currency Convention. The current plans are for American Numismatic Rarities to turn the coin over to
NCG for authentication and grading on Thursday, and then to have
the Certified Coin presented to the ANA (for their museum),in a gala
celebration at 11 a.m. on Friday. There will be a large contingency
of the Press on hand, and there will be national coverage of the
presentation, and the Convention. We thanks all the participants
involved for choosing the Baltimore Coin and Currency Convention
for the place to do this. Ed Kuszmar

MrEureka

Ed - Big trouble! You just walked into the line of fire. It's RUMBLE NIGHT! Of course, I'm sure everyone will be nice to YOU. Besides, how could anybody bash a coin as great as this?

tradedollarnut

Coin? It's a pattern... right up there with Franklin Mint products in collectability!

MrEureka

Coin? It's a pattern

It is NOT a pattern. It's a made-to-order toy for rich dead white folk.

tradedollarnut

Oh, well... that's ok then!

MrEureka

It is NOT a pattern. It's a made-to-order toy for rich dead white folk.

Sorta like an 85 Trade Dollar?

tradedollarnut

Nah, they look completely different. Don't you know your dollar designs?

BTW - who's NCG... one of them there fly by night grading companies?

MrEureka

Nah, they look completely different. Don't you know your dollar designs?

Sure I do! There's the Trade Dollar and there's the Seated Dollar, and there's even a DMPL Morgan Dollar. (The DMPL's are a separate design, right?) And then, of course, there's the best looking of the four types: The Shriver!

tradedollarnut

And then, of course, there's the best looking of the four types: The Shriver!

No fair, you had Cammie's book open to page 28. Cheater!


Does anyone know exactly what a "large contingency of the Press on hand" means? Perhaps that's from page 28 as well?

MrEureka

TDN - X 2!

Edited to say: But you still suck.

Sunnywood

Thanks for posting !! This backdated fantasy piece is certainly notorious & therefore quite an attraction, however ...

This coin is not a legitimate regular issue proof. There were two such 1866 No Motto quarter/half/dollar sets struck as "delicacies" for sale to preferred Mint clients. Similarly, there were seven 1865 With Motto sets struck. There were also 1863- and 1864-dated sets produced. All are known to have been produced in the 1867-1868 time frame, based on dies & die states.

The 1866 No Motto has been inserted into everything from the Redbook to the PCGS numbering system, (in my opinion) as a result of a long lobbying campaign by the owners of the other specimen. Fact is, it is a PATTERN, and not even a "legitimate" one at that. There are many patterns that have known pops of 1 or 2 coins. They aren't all million dollar rarities. Most are not. The coin has become notorious and interesting, but it should not be included in the regular issue series of proof seated dollars. Of course, many of the other issues dated prior to 1858 were also backdated restrikes, but at least they were in the adopted design (most notoriously, the 1851 and 1852 proofs).

Sunnywood

tradedollarnut

Let's get ready to Rummmmmmble........ oh, nevermind, that was just the chili.

American Numismatic Rarities, huh. Couldn't they have thought for a while and come up with a longer name?

barberlover

I must have missed the biggest part of this story, which is the Dupont family finding out they got their coin back and gave it to the A.N.A. museum. Could someone post that story because I never saw
it ?

Les

Coinosaurus

If you rearrange the letters, its "Arcane Miniaturistic Maimers"

SethChandler

If the 1856 Fling Eagle cent wasn't is the Red Book would it be worth ALOT less?

If the 1882 V nickel was in, what would it be worth?

roadrunner

Just don't submit that 1866 NM to a grading service as it might come back as a DMPL or MS-PL coin. Now wouldn't that mess up the works a bit! And since it was handled extensively by the thieves who stole it....it's not even a PF 60 or UNC 60 anymore!

Does the 1866 "NM" mean "none made?"

roadrunner

kamehameha00

<< <i>Just don't submit that 1866 NM to a grading service as it might come back as a DMPL or MS-PL coin. Now wouldn't that mess up the works a bit! And since it was handled extensively by the thieves who stole it....it's not even a PF 60 or UNC 60 anymore!

Does the 1866 "NM" mean "none made?"

roadrunner >>




No Motto

tradedollarnut

If it came back MS64, I'd be chasing it!

Anybody seen the PCGS MS64 1873-S Seated Dollar?

EVillageProwler

Is everyone here on drugs? Except for Sunnywood, of course!

Coinosaurus

East Village Prowler - Will Separate Grovel. Anyone else have numismatic anagrams to share

tradedollarnut

Show EVP an 1870-S dollar and he'll grovel... separate, together or otherwise!

Barry

<< <i>Coin? It's a pattern

It is NOT a pattern. It's a made-to-order toy for rich dead white folk. >>


Is that any different than the 1804 dollar?

MatthewBabcock

Will this coin/pattern/token (what ever it is) be on display or will it only be presented from one person to another for a photo opportunity?

Nothing was mentioned about this... Nothing was mentioned about when this was to happen... Are they going to present this on each of the three days of the show?

Hmmmm... Well, I'd like to know if I stand a chance to see this thing for myself... I'd like to if I can.

Matt

MrEureka

It is NOT a pattern. It's a made-to-order toy for rich dead white folk.

Is that any different than the 1804 dollar?

It's no different that a Class II or Class III 1804 Dollar. The Class I is a legitimate presentation piece.

Conder101

Sunnywood, you say there were two sets made of the no motto coins. Has there ever been any reports of the second quarter or half dollar turning up? As far as I know the quarter and half have always been reported as being unique.