Dmitri Young converts to GAI???!!!
Davalillo
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Hot story of the day is baseball star Dmitri Young has converted his high-end vintage sportscard collection to GAI from PSA.
Dmitri has one of the most impressive vintage psa 10 collections in the hobby.
I am not posting this as a knock against PSA but perhaps those owners of pop 2 psa 10s now own a pop 1 psa 10.
Dav
Dmitri has one of the most impressive vintage psa 10 collections in the hobby.
I am not posting this as a knock against PSA but perhaps those owners of pop 2 psa 10s now own a pop 1 psa 10.
Dav
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A GAI 9.5 is a Gem Mint card that is supposely the equivalent to a PSA 10. GAI 10 cards are "PERFECT" cards.
If all of Dimitri Young's PSA 10s converted to GAI 10, does that mean PSA has tougher standards?
Dave
Thats interesting.
Presumably the reason that Charlie crossed over a set to GAI and had a number of other sets graded by them and Dmitri did what he did is confidence in Mike Baker.
Do they looked trimmed or undersized. I had the same card come back twice as undersized and twice trimmed and I'm 100% sure it wasnt trimmed.
As for dimitri dont know what to say on that but I'm sure probably did it for the holder if this it true at all. Bummer being is once again the pop report is scewed.
Gator
I'm sure Dmitri could give a damn about the holder--he is close to Baker/Rocchi and I'm sure they convinced him to do it.
Major dealer told me today that Dmitri takes some of his cards with himm when he travels on road trips.
Dav
I'm not so sure I'd say he doesn't care about the holder not saying your wrong. He's pretty picky about his cards he doesn't mind upgrading even if it has the same grade.
I know I've sold him an 87 Topps Palmeiro PSA 10 a couple of years ago.
I have been approached (through a third party) to coordinate a trade with Dmitri. What particularly interests me is that the card I was offered is a PSA 10 card -- and the card that is desired is a different PSA 10 card. I was told that simply Dmitri had confined his collecting interests a little further -- and the card offered to me was outside of the confines of his new interests.
The other interesting thing is that the third party is in fact a PSA supporter, and to my knowledge has never sold a GAI card.
Also interesting is that I have a HOF GAI 9.5 vintage card that I am sure would fit in very nicely with Dmitri's interests. Something I had not considered before and may consider now.
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MS
<< <i>Ditto on sixdart's comment. Anyone have an idea of what he owns? If I recall, he's the one who bought the PSA 10 54 Banks rookie a few years back?
I know I've sold him an 87 Topps Palmeiro PSA 10 a couple of years ago. >>
Without getting too specific, I would simply say that my knowledge of his collection (which is limited) suggests that he owns relatively few cards but those that he owns are freaking superstar knockout cards.
Based on past threads from people's dealings with him, he also has fairly high quantities of modern HOF or surefire HOF rookies in PSA 10, including Puckett and McGwire.
Here are some of the pops on the key HOF rookies in PSA 10
Joe DiMaggio - 0 in any of the 4 sets that could be regarded as his rookie ('36 World Wide Gum, '37 OPC, '38 Goudey, and '39 Play Ball)
Ted Williams - 1 in '39 Play Ball
Berra - 1 in '48 Bowman (interestingly, there is not another PSA 10 Berra until '56 Topps)
Musial - 0 in '48 Leaf, 1 in '48 Bowman (that and a '63 Topps are the only 2 playing days PSA 10s of Musial)
Campanella - 1 in '49 Bowman
Snider - 0 in '49 Bowman
Jackie Robinson - 0 in '48 Leaf, 0 in '49 Bowman
Mantle - 1 in '51 Bowman, 3 in '52 Topps
Mays - 0 in '51 Bowman, 1 in '52 Topps
Aaron - 2 in '54 Topps (Tom Candiotti owns one)
Banks - 1 in '54 Topps
Kaline - 1 in '54 Topps
Clemente - 1 in '55 Topps
Koufax - 2 in '55 Topps
Killebrew - 1 in '55 Topps
Frank Robinson - 0 in '57 Topps
Brooks Robinson - 1 in '57 Topps
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In all fairness to PSA, I do not see how they can monitor this or keep track. I've thought population reports were a waste of time. Call 'em historical reports and then maybe i'll think otherwise.
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As for Dmitri, I can say, based on the cards he has purchased from me, that his collection is definitely NOT ONLY a small collection of knock-out cards, but rather a pretty broad (and large) collection of higher-grade cards to go along with the knock-outs.
BTW, he's a great person to deal with. The first time he bought cards from me and I realized who he was, I jokingly sent him a message telling him that I would have a hard time deciding if I was going to cash his check or keep it and give the auto to my daughter... he "responded" by including a handful of his own cards in with the check, all of which he signed. He even personalized one of them for her!
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JR
or his decision to play for the Tigers.
If this story is true...Im surprised GAI is not promoting it on their website
BTW...I probably have the largest Dmitri Young raw collection on this board....
I told you it was a choice. Some folks keep trying to tell me that people are born that way.
I can't confirm this but earlier today it was suspected that a 3rd party buyer purchased this card for Mr.Young but nobody is really sure and I have not asked the buyers involved.
The buyer's Paypal account was hacked into so Joe Tuttle paid for it.
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Hopefully no free Hummers were involved........
Rubish.
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Hopefully a wake up call to PSA,
that high profile clients expect, are used to,
and are entitled to special attention.
Lucky for Dmitri, resale value is not an issue if one has unlimited funds.
Of course, the cards, with their known provenance,
could easily be crossed back over ...
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My experiences with SGC vintange is limited to over 500 cards from 1959 and 100 or so from 1963. Generally speaking, but consistent to a fault, SGC is:
1/2 to 1 grade tougher on corner wear,
1/2 to 1 grade more lenient on centering,
slightly tougher on minor print defects, but more lenient than PSA on major print defects (e.g., SGC will penalize on dark print ink spots, but ignore "snow" where PSA gives the dreaded PD qualifier).
Overall, SGC gives the benefit of the doubt, if you will, to a card with great eye appeal say from surface gloss, if centering is askew. I'm not a centering freak and I can delineate between 65/35 vs. 70/30, when PSA seemingly has trouble with this. I've got a lot of cards in PSA 7 holders that are 8's with 65/35 centering. That's the standard BTW, but it's almost as if PSA doesn't go to the trouble of measuring the centering.
Disclaimer: Opinion and fact are interspersed in the above comments. Take your best shot.
Cheers
<< <i>Hopefully he gets better service >>
thebobs,
If he is close to Baker + Rocchi as Davalillo states, then my guess is he will. If you check out
the second post on this thread here, you will see some sweet
service. And I don't think this guy was that close with Rocchi.
aconte
No, not at all.
In fact I only hear PSA using terms like "subjective eye-appeal" in defending overgraded cards.
somehow cards sent in from Irvine CA and Traverse City MI seem to be dripping with this stuff.
somehow cards sent in from Irvine CA and Traverse City MI seem to be dripping with this stuff.
I thought that PSA has no idea whose cards they are grading?
60 snider 30559992 sgc 86 to psa 7
71 rose 30559994 sgc 88 to psa 7
71 mays 30560002 sgc 88 to psa 7
71 clemente 30560003 sgc 88 to psa 7
granted, i picked up the SGC 's over time, i had the snider and rose for at least a couple of years. the clemente and rose look like absolute beasts . however , the clemente has slight "chipping" on the top edge, the rose has a "touch" to the lower right corner, but has a slight "diamond cut". it could be argued that i ran into "darth grader" or the "grader of death" but on the same submission i received this.
72 grabarkewitz 30559999 raw sub. to psa 10
in the past i've been able cross BGS 8's and 8.5's to PSA 8 s and 9
on regular basis, but i had to stop because i injured myself cracking a BGS holder
After x-over
7 ended up in SGC-96 holders (9.0)
13 ended up in SGC-92 holders (8.5)
42 ended up in SGC-88 holders (8.0)
14 ended up in SGC-86 holders (7.5)
8 ended up in SGC-84 holders (7.0)
Using the 1-10 scale, these 84 cards average 7.98.
So, my conclusion is that, on average SGC and PSA are nearly identical in their "toughness". Certainly, their opinions often differ...but when viewed over a large enough population, everything averages out.
2. gai's little black sleeve sucks i can't stand the not so arrow head corners. i hope somebody is reading this from gai.
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your point is noted, the 84 68's you crossed from PSA to SGC is probably greater than the total amount of cards i've cracked and crossed to PSA from SGC, BECKETT, and SCD ( yeah, i know). the larger number is undeniably a better representation than my handful, but why SGC? i don't follow the SGC market but do your former PSA 8's command a higher premium in their SGC 88 &92 holders (assuming that you are buying the holder and not the card) ?
with the 71's that i mentioned, at the time i bought them the market for 71 psa 8's was very hot, i got the SGC 88's for considerably less than what the PSA 8's were going for but for more than than what PSA 7's were getting, by cracking and crossing i took a hit . could the higher price for PSA 8's be attributed to the popularity of the set registry or confidence in a particular company?
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<< <i>psa makes money one time on a card that dimitri young buys and thats when its submitted? i could be wrong >>
JACKSTRAW - You are correct! Same applies to Topps, when Mickey Mantle cards (raw or graded) changes hands, Topps made
their money when the card was opened 40 years ago, and although a 1962 Mantle in a PSA-10 may sell for a mint, Topps no longer receives any profit, only the exposure of the new cards value...jay
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Agreed. The point where Topps/PSA are no longer alike is future dealer decisions on which grader to submit to. If a high profile collector(s) are known to switch from PSA to GAI, might not this potentially influence future submissions? Or perhaps if high profile GAI cards start to outsell PSA cards in auctions, this could negatively impact PSA? Just pointing out where the Topps/PSA comparison ends. I don't endorse this line of thought necessarily.
An example is the SGC buyer from southern Indiana. He only buys SGC, and he pays STRONG prices. If I had a killer raw card that I knew he needed, I might give SGC a submission. Certainly the existance of this one buyer hasn't changed the market share of either company on future gradings. But its an influence to keep in mind going forward.
Each grading company readily publicizes sale prices of cards in their slab, even though they aren't compensated above the initial grading fee. They must feel that this publicity has a positive impact on future submissions, prestige, and/or market share.
To my knowledge, Topps has never advertised sale prices of Topps cards on the secondary market.
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i wasn't aware he had a SGC set of 68's. i have no intent on selling my cards either but contrary to what the ancient egyptians thought i won't be taking my cards into the afterlife. in all seriousness, while it is a hobby for me , there is long term investment potential involved and i would like to maximize the return for my future generations. i'm trying to understand the lure of some of the other options out there. for example, i'm working on a '72 topps bb in psa 8 or better, with a concentration on 9's along with a mild interest in 10's. i saw DSL sell a high numbered PSA 10 stan bahnsen in excess of 400.00 is there a similiar interest in SGC commons in the 96 grade? or are PSA cards selling at an inflated rate across the board because of the registry? i'm not new to collecting but i am relatively new to building high end graded sets. i haven't registered any of my sets at this point and quite frankly i may never do it. by buying PSA cards am i paying for the confidence they have garnered or the fact that they have the only registry at this time? will the key cards that are in other companies holders spike in value if they start a registry and will the commons follow suit? i am curious.
Could that possibly happen?
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
VBC
<< <i>Here's a scenario: Dmitri shows up as a spokesperson for GAI. "Hi fans. I turned my PSA 10's into GAI 10's. You should too!" >>
I guess it beats the Fritsch boys pimping SCD....but I doubt any serious collector would be swayed.
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highgrade, as jackstraw said, I've got a '68 SGC set. On long term return, who knows what the future may bring and I have no plans to sell anytime soon (my daughter is only 2, so I won't have to sell if for her college education for quite a while!).
VBC, exactly who put PSA on the map...and who is now at GAI? I have no GAI cards and no real interest in them...but I think your statements are a bit off base.
<< <i>Maybe Dmitri used the exemplar service. That way he would still have the PSA grade attached to it. If there is a card in a GAI holder (which is the superior holder in terms of design and security, imho) with a grade of 9 and the original PSA label with a grade of 9, then everyone wins. Dmitri gets a better holder and keeps the resale value - after all it is still a PSA 9 isn't it? >>
If Dmitri Young used the exemplar service, all of the cards remain in their original holder. The only difference is a silver sticker on the back of the holder with GAI's grade. (or does Gai slab the card with a PSA sticker on the back?)
If it is the former, then the first post is very misleading. Perhaps Davalillo can clarify. Is his entire colelction in GAI black holders now?