Lord M's plate money

rhound1977

I happened to had shot a picture of it.. Hope you don't mind Lord M.........

spoon

I always thought those were neat.

Nice pic, rhound Cool plate, LM

1jester

Very cool "coin"!!! If I may ask, when was it made, what does it weigh and how much did it cost? Is the patina original?

rhound1977

LordM should be able to tell us more, but as I recall 1750 something, from the ship wreck he quoted in Wayne's thread.

Definetly not pocket change........

ajaan

Copper if I'm not mistaken.

1jester

Ahhh, copper. It wouldn't surprise me if it was silver.

trozau

Found metal detecting?

Refrema

Hello,
I usually just read this forum, preferring not to get involved in a lot of the non coin discussions. There is a wealth of information among the members, and here is a place where I may be able to help answer questions.

I have a couple of these, and have photographed about 25 pieces. I can provide the populations that exist today for all values and dates. This is a 2 Daler piece, but from the image, I can’t tell the date. It will be between 1710 and 1759 those are the dates from the ship Nicobar. It sank of the coast of South Africa in July of 1783, and was discovered in 1983, but the recovery of the plates took several years to complete.

These were used for commerce in Sweden and Finland, while they were minted, but after they were demonetized by the government in 1776, they were sold as scrap copper. During the period they were in use, there were 44,000 tons of them made into a total of 43 million Dalers of coins. Today there are only a few thousand that have survived, with most dates having populations of less than 100 known pieces.

I hope this answers most questions. Here is an image of my 2 Daler 1754 piece. It has a total population of 39 pieces, and 3 of them were recovered from the Nicobar.

Bob

Sorry about no picture, but I will have to work out how to add them to a message. E-Mail me if you want one, they are high resolution, so they are large files.

trozau

Bob, interesting information. Thanks for sharing. Probably a pain to display a collection of these 2 Dalers.

Refrema

Yes they are hard to display, Whitman does not make folders, and a full 2 Daler Plate in the 1750s weighs 1,512 grams or 3.38 Lbs. Mine are in custom made Lucite holders. The more I learned about them, the more interesting they have become.

Bob

cosmicdebris

You never know what you will around here next. This is definitely up there on the cool meter.

spinaker2000

Thanks for the info Bob, and please pop in more often.

I remember you taking that pic Glenn.

rhound1977

That was the only plate money I had ever seen before, just had to take a picture of it.....

Bob, Thanks for the insight, nice bit of History, stop by more often........

Glenn

danglen

When I saw Rob's at the FUN Show I knew I had to have one. Rob was gracious enough to go back and forth a few times between my booth and the dealer who was selling them, but finally got me a nice piece dated 1750. I am taking it to the coin club in St. Augustine tonight for "show and tell".

Refrema

If you let me know the denomination, I will let you know the population.

Bob

Refrema

1750 1/2 Daler 6 recovered from the Nicobar, and the total known to exist is 68
1 Daler 2 recovered from the Nicobar, and the total known to exist is 14
2 Daler 1,103 recovered from the Nicobar, and the total known to exist is 1,135 (This is by far the most common plate)
4 Daler none recovered from the Nicobar, and none are known to exist.

I looked up the information for you.
Bob

lordmarcovan

Mine, like Danglen's, is a 1750 2-daler piece. His has better stamps on it but mine was a more uniform shape and color. I originally bought his and then when he sent me back to buy the other, I decided I would rather have the one there, so I swapped Dan the one I had originally bought (he let me pick which of the two I wanted since I had to run back and forth between his table and the original dealer's table about three times.

Thanks, Glenn- I didn't even remember you shooting a pic of that!

The "coin" is for sale but I must confess I find it difficult to grade, and therefore price. Obviously one grades by the stamps. The dealer we bought them from was unaware of their Krause value, and I think we got a good price. (Regardless of what Krause says, I am satisfied with the price I paid.) It is a "common" date but these two were the first I had seen in 5+ years.

Thanks, Bob, for sharing your info. I'm glad to know the population of the 1750 2-daler pieces. The same dealer had a 4-daler piece but did not have it on the display, so I never got to see the date.

I'd also love to know more about the circumstances surrounding the sinking of the Nicobar. Info on the web seems to be sketchy, though I did read one South African site (tourist-related) that mentioned the remains of the shipwreck are visible at low tide from the coast, so it must have sunk pretty close to land!

Refrema

Just another short bit of information, the total of all of the dates and denominations known to exist is 300. Only 24 of those have populations over 100. and only the 1750 2 Daler has a population of over 1,000. Most populations are in the 40 to 60 range. If you weigh your plate, new it was 1,512 grams.

Bob

1jester

Bob, thanks so much for stopping by and sharing your priceless knowledge!!! Please come visit more often.

That's a really neat piece of coin, meLord. That, to me, is a real "slab"!!

Aethelred

Plate money? I thought you said that was a roofing tile.

lordmarcovan

No, I think it was YOU who said something about a roofing tile, until I made like I was gonna frisbee-throw the thing at you. I noticed that shut you up pretty fast. Not that I blame you- I don't think I'd wanna be decapitated by a piece of flying plate money, either, though you'd hafta admit it would be an "original" way to die. I can only image what the crime scene techs would have to say about that. 'Twould be reminiscent of the original "Highlander" flick, where the first victim in the movie is beheaded with a million-dollar sword...

canadiancoinguy

neat!

lordmarcovan

I resuscitated this old thread because I wanted to see the picture of my plate money that Glenn took.

Instead, the picture is now showing an actual plate (as in souvenir plate!?!), which neither Glenn nor I have ever seen.

He never changed the URL of the picture, which is supposed to show my 1750 2-daler Swedish plate money, lying on top of a Krause catalog.

The souvenir plate that is now showing in the picture is not his, it certainly isn't my copper plate money, and he never changed his pic.

So wassup?

(Cue Twilight Zone theme music)

Weird, huh?

Kinda scary, too. No tellin' what could happen to the pics in our posts, over time...

spinaker2000

at least it's still a plate!!

AuldFartte

LordM ... I'd suggest a PM to SM-1 with that question. That is too bizarre!!!

spoon

From my experience, pics are lost when someone uploads one with the same filename you used earlier.. not sure if the pics are overwritten and lost forever on the server or what?, but that's my guess Keep a copy on your computer! (and use odd, unique names)

If the webmaster is reading I'd recommend adding a snippet to the page that processes uploads to automatically tack on the uploader's screen name to each filename. This not only helps prevent image overwrites, but makes it easier to prevent or track down image upload abuses.
Or webmaster could add code to search the upload directory for that filename and verify that it is not already being used before upload is processed and alert the uploader to change it if it is taken. I think idea #1 is better, but both could be used together for a stronger system.

Askari

Maybe it's a rare pattern plate?