#2 Susan B. Anthony (SBA) registry set for sell
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I am selling the #2 SBA PCGS registry set to pursue other adventures. I'm offering it here first as I would prefer to sell it to a PCGS member as a set and not break it up on eBay if possible. PM me for pics if interested.
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Yes, this set can be upgraded but it's going to take someone that has the time.
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The Holly Grail of the set would be a 1981S MS67. I have been looking for ten years now and no luck. I also offered $10,000 if anyone could find one several years ago on this forum.
In fact while I did make a 1981P in MS67 (a POP 9 coin) I have only made one 1981S in MS66 (a POP 73 coin) and 2 1981 D MS67's (POP 49).
The SBA's seem to be getting harder and harder to find raw.
The 1980 S is the other Key. By a strange twist. I search about 60,000 of these from 1994-1998. From those 2,000 coin bags I made about 40 of the existing 66 MS67 coins. I do not think I have any more raw coins that will make the grade and do not think there are likely to be any more out there. The other coins can be found in MS67 in mint sets, but the S mint mark coins are VERY tough to find above MS65.
09/07/2006
<< <i>What's the going rate on the 1981-S in MS66? >>
<< <i>1981 S sba$ PCGS MS66 $450-650 >>
If I break this set up I'll sell the 81-s in the mid range of that!
1979 P MS67 POP 58/1 $450-$650 (My last sale 8/2003 $525. Pop has decreased as coins are designated WR in past year.)(MS68 price?)
1979 P WR MS67 POP 7/0 $2,000-$4000 ( Hard to put a price on. Low POP variety coin with variable demand.)
1979 D MS67 POP 87/0 $150-$200 (My last sale $175. POP was 74 6/2001)
1979 S MS67 POP 131/3 $125-$175 (Last sale 8/2003 $165.) (MS68 POP 3 also tough to price $2500-$4000 best guess.)
1980 P MS67 POP 73/2 $150-$200 (POP was 64 in 6/2001.)( MS68 POP 2 really hard to price $3,000-$5000.)
1980 D MS67 POP 101/0 $150-$200 (POP was 96 in 6/2001.)
1980 S MS67 POP 66/0 $300-$500 (POP was 59 in 6/01. As far as I know all of these come from bags & rolls, not found over MS65 in sets)
1981 P MS67 POP 9/0 $1,500-$2000 ( Very tough coin to find in MS67 as POP reflects, as usual tough to price because of so few sales.)
1981 D MS67 POP 49/0 $350-$450 (Easiest of the 1981 coins. POP was 37 in 6/01.)
1981 S MS66 POP 73/0 $450-$650 (Toughest SBA$. Has never been graded MS67!)
1999 P MS67 POP 325/6 $30-$50 (MS68 POP 6/0. $2,000-$3,000)
1999D MS68 POP 79/0 $150-$200 (This is the only SBA$ with a falling price as the supply is greater then the demand)
But I did find one MS66 in a mint set once, possibly the only time I did. I kept it in my personal collection as a novelty until a few weeks ago, when I accidentally sold it (my personal coins are kept in the same database as my inventory). Doh!
I think your "educated guess" may be a little low on the 81-P. That was one of the hardest for me to put together in building this set. I would put it between $2500-$3500. But then again, I am the seller and could be a little biased!
<< <i>You are probably right on the 1981 P. It is a very tough coin and I was willing to pay $4,000 at one point before I made one myself. The POP was only 6 at the time. There are just so few sales of these top POP's it is all just a guess of what I would expect them to sell for and or what I personally would expect to pay. No real science here. >>
I know of no one else that has spent as much time and effort on SBA's as you have. Your opinion is appreciated as well as respected. Thanks for your insight on the value of the series.
You just sold a coin for 2x its typical selling price that all
Wondercoin
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Actually the 1979 P MS67 has been selling in this range for more then a year and a half. $525 is the cheapest of the last 4 that I have sold in that time period. The coin is required in the Registry Type Set (it is the single year type coin "Narrow Rim") and in the SBA set. Also it has the lowest POP in MS67 after the 1981 D and it is the only SBA with a falling POP (POP was 61 back in July 2001 and down to 58 today). Not that I want to disagree with you.
As for the series being dead. I don't know what you are talking about. While the coins with POP's less than 10 have a fairly thin market, I can find a buyer for every coin listed above in the referenced price range within a few days or a couple of weeks at most. In fact I have buyers contacting me all the time and I simply do not have the coins to sell them. For that matter while I have multiples of several of the TOP POP's I simply refuse to sell them at these levels as I recognize just how rare some of these coins are.
All that said, I will not disagree that some of the MS68's are "liners". That is exactly why I refuse to sell many of the coins that I have in my permanent collection. I am not talking about the MS68 coins here but rather the very top end MS67's. Just as has been pointed out about the Ike's (and most series for that matter). There is a wide variety of quality within the top grades. True MS67 SBA$'s with perfect strikes are very rare and in my opinion worth more than the above referenced prices.
DRG: Yes, again, a big problem with the series I believe.
A 79(p) sold on ebay under $200 earlier this year and I sold one in the low $200's to a board member as well this year. With a pop that high, I see no reason the coin should be a "$500" coin. Heck, for $500 you can buy a SINGLE DIGIT pop clad quarter, dime, Jeff, Kennedy, etc. I just bought a pop 3 pop top MS Kennedy around that level!! I just won on ebay a POP 1/0 MS68FB clad dime for around the same level! If you are selling MS67 1979(p) SBA's POP 58/1!!! at $500/coin- you are doing just fine
And, I agree that you should hang onto the "cream" coins - that MS67/MS68 line could change over time (as could the MS66/MS67 line and those $20 MS66 coins could soon be "$500 coins" too
Wondercoin
I do not know where I was when these sales were made. I would buy any 79 P MS67 below $300.
As for the price of a POP 58/1 SBA$ being $500. Just look at the price of a 73 P MS66 Ike ($700-$900) with a POP of 56 and the 74 P MS66 is about the same with a POP of 57. I know the Ike's are more popular but as far as I can tell the SBA's are not that far behind.
All of the above referenced MS67 prices have at least one sale in the given range within the last six months that I know of personally.
Mitch- Let me know when you are selling MS67 SBA$'s below these prices.
Finally, I do not see "the problem with the series". If and when any over graded MS68 coins get down-graded, the owner will get the going cost back from PCGS and the MS67 coins will be all the more valuable!
None at all
And, I am with you on being a buyer "below $300" - I just had a differing opinion on the "over $500 value".
Anyway, it appears another SBA collector "bites the dust".
Wondercoin
Someone will take his place.
I think the SBA series does share a "problem" with many other modern series in that coins are generally of pretty decent quality. There is only one coin that is significantly difficult to find in MS65.
I think the higher you have to go with grade to get scarce, the generally fewer collectors you'll have competing for the top grades. If there are plenty of nice gem coins to go around, that will satisfy most collectors.
Contrast that with the Ike series, which is the extreme for modern clad coins. If you just want just a "nice looking" example of some dates, you're gonna have to pay. There aren't enough to go around.
Still, anyone who's an SBA enthusiast can quickly recognize a "special" coin. Exceptionally nice examples of the tougher dates are truly scarce. Also, the series is currently very poorly documented, with numerous unexplored varieties, which is a great opportunity for the enthusiast with a long-term outlook.
Of course, many people complain about the obverse design, but... take a look at some of the classics. The Exorcist-head seated Liberty comes to mind. Time heals all wounds.
Overall I think the SBA is a series with a lot of potential that has yet to come into its own.
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I think the SBA series does share a "problem" with many other modern series in that coins are generally of pretty decent quality. There is only one coin that is significantly difficult to find in MS65.
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This effect could be overemphasized. While it's true that nice looking sets of
SBA's, Kennedys, and Roosies are always going to be relatively easy to put
together (barring future tough dates), there remains a wide range of quality
and scarcity at the high end. While it's improbable that large numbers of people
will ever desire top grade sets, it's entirely possible that most will try to improve
their collections as time goes on and the coins become available. Price will have
a dampening effect on demand and how this all balances out remains to be seen.
A nice attractive clad quarter set will likely be even more difficult than the Ike set.
Though the Ikes will undoubtedly be much tougher in gem.
A nice attractive clad quarter set will likely be even more difficult than the Ike set. Though the Ikes will undoubtedly be much tougher in gem.
Don't these sentences contradict each other? Or do you mean qualitatively nice looking, not necessarily gem?
Even if that's what you meant, I still think Ikes are the toughest. Many of the key date coins are almost always nasty looking, even if gem grades. And for those who's idea of a "nice" coin is bright white, the key dates get even tougher.
nice looking coin is one with booming luster, a decent strike, and not too torn
up with scratches and gouges. While the individual coins that look nice to
various collectors will vary, there is a tendency for these coins to be around
MS-63 (choice) very often.
In the long run, this grade may be fairly important since it will likely be the
condition of the vast majority of modern collections. All Ikes are fairly numer-
ous in this grade (or least they were), while a few of the quarters are not.
In gem condition the Ikes are far scarcer than all other moderns with the pos-
sible exception of the FS nickels.
In superb gem (MS-67) probably the SBA's are the toughest.
Supercoin: Yes, qualitatively nice looking.
Ok, agree again there... but examples of those are sorely lacking in the key Ike dates (71-P, 72-P, 76-P Ty1). I'm not a quarter guy, are there quarters worse than those Ike dates?
In superb gem (MS-67) probably the SBA's are the toughest.
Nope, Ikes again.
Ike is King Modern, man.
some real doubt that a real superb gem '69, '82-P, or '83-P quarter exists. There
are some later dates that I'm not so sure of too. If a 100% strike is required to
be a superb gem then even the 72-D won't qualify.
Perhaps more to the point though is Washingtons in choice unc. Here there may be
only the '83-P as a stumbling block. Finding this well struck with no rub is very tough.
Finding it clean isn't easy either but the problem typically is strike (worn die) (misaligned),
or a rub from a few months of light circulation.
The Ikes are definitely the toughest in top grades if strike of nickels isn't considered.
It's not only that the Ikes are lower grade in the highest grades but the average and
mean are much lower for almost all dates. The '71 I've never seen in anything even
approaching gem. I've seen a few which are choice but no gems or anything close and
choice gem is hardly even a dream. The '72 is very tough and while I've never actually
seen a choice gem there have been enough approaching it that my assumption is that
they exist. The '76 t1 comes extremely nice most rarely. I haven't seen one in years, but
I would expect to see these on the pops eventually. Though I'm still learning how the
grading companies grade these.
While the 80-S can be found in high grade MS, the 81-S seems more problematical. So
I guess you're right that neither set may be completeable in MS-67.
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