Tampered NGC holders

Merc

Has anyone seen a tampered/ altered NGC holder? I talked to one guy who saw one. It had been opened using a needle and a lighter. The seam was opened to insert a new grade insert and then was reclosed. He said it looked pretty good, but some people could it had been tampered with.

MrEureka

It had been opened using a needle and a lighter.

Can you be more specific? Just curious, of course.

sinin1

Looking at a NGC slab, I see no way of that occurring unless the slab was separated completely, and then it would probably be better to insert a lower graded coin.

wingedliberty

I have not seen this, but it is scary.

Brian.

K6AZ

Every one of these stories is always second hand. I have busted enough PCGS and NGC holders to know it isn't so. PCGS and NGC go to great lengths to prevent this exact thing from happening. Now, PCI holders on the other hand are very easy to crack right in half and reseal.

Merc

That is exactly what I thought K6AZ. I told the guy I have opened NGC holders. They are very hard and the plastic shatters. He told me the seam had been opened with a hot needle. I didn't believe it either. I'm sure the people at NGC have concidered this and have made it about impossible to do. If the holders could be opened and resealed, they would soon go out of business. I just wanted to send out a post if others know if this happening.

Barry

I've opened some ANACS holders and they've split right down the middle.

K6AZ

Exactly. And every one of these stories in the past, when investigated, led to a big seller of raw coins and a certified coin basher. Since you have also cracked these slabs, you know how ridiculous the story is.

nwcs

Another thing to remember is that it is one thing to open a slab, another thing to reseal it without obvious damage. Maybe some of the very first generation slabs could be compromised, but I doubt it.

WWW

I might recomend that any comments on this subject be reffered to this post instead.

K6AZ

Do you have pictures of the pieces Barry?

Barry

Eric,
I thought I still had them, but looked around and can't find them. Believe me, they were perfectly split, cracked in a vise.

agentjim007

I had a friend once that sold pirate cable boxes. The cable company would change something so his boxes didn't work then he would come up with something to make them work again. His favorite line would be "whatever one man can do another can undue" if someone really wanted to figure a way that someone could. I'm thinking lasers

K6AZ

Barry- I would like to see a picture of them because I have broke open many ANACS slabs and have never got one to separate in only two pieces, let alone perfectly in half.

AgentJim- A laser beam on the edge of the slab would create heat, and distort the slab, and I don't see how it could be covered up. Not only that, I would presume a precision laser like that would be fairly expensive.

topstuf

It will not work. The only way to do it safely is with a Popiel Slabslitter. And if you order in the next 10 minutes, you will get the FULL set of sonic attachments to fit ALL slabs.

Max

I had a friend tell me once that his boss's mother's aunt's neighbor was able to artificially tone Morgans with purples, reds and greens using a St. Mary Smartbrain twin electric blanket. He didn't know the details but he said it was true. So I believed him, it is true ya know!

jdimmick

I have to agree, any time I have ever tried to bust open a slab of NGC, or PCGS I literally had to destroy the holder completely.

agentjim007

I'm working on a cold fushion laser with the sole purpose of splitting slabs so I can remove that damn dust on my coins then I'll airplane glue (snif-snif) them back together.

LincolnCentMan

I've cracked a lot of PCGS and NGC coins, and I've never had one in less than about fifty peices. Of coarse, I use a hammer to crack them open, so that might have something to do with it.

David

Conder101

<< <i>For one thing, the technology must exist somewhere in America today. I can't imagine that we can send people to the moon but can't open a slab without craking it into a million pieces. >>


Well actually we CAN'T send people to the moon. The best we can do today is low earth orbit just like back in the early 60's. We have the "know-how" but not the equipment. If (and hopefulkly when) we chose to return to the moon it will once again take us in the neighborhood of ten years to accomplish. A little sooner if we want to pull out the old blueprints and go using 1970's era rocket design.

topstuf

WHO cracks with HAMMERS?????

Wire cutters, people, wire cutters! Dikes. Controllable for pressure and direction.

Hammers, indeed!

TWODOGS

Check out my post with pictures of what I just bought on eBay.

millennium

The hot needle thing worries me.......why won't that work?

Merc

Wow, I didn't think my post on NGC holders would come up again. I still have not seen one opened and resealed. Plastic melts under heat, so I doubt the story I was told was true.

Dog97

I don't believe it could be done with a hot needle and here's why:
If you went straight in through the seam you would hit the neophrene insert. No way to make a neat enough opening the width of a needle to slide a piece of paper out & in again.
If you went in above the seam, well the label is in a recess and you can't get it up out of the recess and out through a needle width opening plus it would damage the little grooves. I don't remember if NGC labels are held in place with a drop of glue like PCGS labels are.
You positively could not switch the labels in an ANACS slab because they simply do not come off the insert.

BigE

A more serious problem could result from someone obtaining NGC or PCGS slabs raw, you can get the inserts anywhere and simply glue the slabs shut. I understand there are tight controls over the new slabs, but I wonder how tight they really are-----------BigE