Vindication for Relayer & the Story of Two 1964 Kennedies.

braddick

A couple weeks ago there was a Thread regarding the sale of a rainbow toned Kennedy on eBay. It ended up pretty negative in nature and, as easily as it is to forget "last weeks flame" I thought a follow up would be appropriate.

I had seen Relayer's Kennedy on eBay and liked it. I liked it enough to bid and eventually, after the auction was killed once I had the chance to purchase the coin.
Relayer was accurate in his coin description.
I promptly sent the coin in for PCI grading (sorry, I just wasn't interested in waiting 51+ days for its return) and was not surprised to find it holdered as authentic toning.

In fact, just for fun, I present it here- along with a PCGS 1964 rainbow toned Kennedy, for comparison. I even think the colors on the PCI coin- blended the SAME as on the PCGS coin, but are a bit more vibrant and appealing.
For what it's worth, the PCGS coin cost me 700% MORE than the PCI Kennedy.

PCI 1964 MS65 Kennedy

Same PCI coin, different shot

PCGS MS64 Kennedy

Side by side comparison

I just thought it fair the whole story be tolded. Thanks Relayer for a great addition to my 1964 toned Kennedy half collection.

BigD5

Anyone have a link to the old thread? I don't see anything "funny" about the PCI coin.

braddick

<< <i>Anyone have a link to the old thread? I don't see anything "funny" about the PCI coin. >>



http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=169244&highlight_key=y&keyword1=kennedy

braddick

Just checking to see if there are any opinions from the 'night shift' guys...

Bear

Well, a bunch of them are hidding out in my cave.

Dog97

I thought the question was that relayer was selling a cleaned coin with disclosing it. How does it being in a PCI slab vindicate him?

BigD5

I see now. Well, if I had to guess, I'd say the obverse is probably cleaned. It does look a bit dull, but that could also be the scan. The toning looks ok to me.
Braddick, I wish you would use Anacs for those "quickie" submissions. I'd fell better.

relayer

Braddick rescued the coin from a plastic bag in my box o'coins and got it mounted properly in a good home.

I think it looks great. Nice Job!

But don't think I've changed my ways - buyer beware!

BSqr

buyer beware - you said it. Just kidding

braddick

<< <i>I thought the question was that relayer was selling a cleaned coin with disclosing it. How does it being in a PCI slab vindicate him? >>



There was some question as to the authenticity of the toning too and to be totally fair, I just
don't see any evidence of any cleaning. I really don't (-not just saying that because I own it).

I'm pretty up to date on these MintState Kennedies and generally they haven't been cleaned to
begin with and this one is 100% original.

BigD5- ANACS isn't much faster than PCGS right now from what I gather. On coins I plan to keep I have no problem with PCI and/or SEGS.
It's the ones I sell I need in PCGS holders.

BigD5

Braddick, I should have made the disclaimer that I don't use any service other than the 10 day service from Anacs. You would probably wait 3 months to get a coin back from anacs economy. Sorry for the lack of clarification.
If the coin doesn't look cleaned, than we can chalk it up to a phantom pcgs bodybag. Yes, it happens. Similar phenomenon to the au/58 grade, which if that new slab is allowed to age a month or two, will turn into a ms/63 coin (miraculously ) on the next submission. Poor Relayer wasn't aware of the process, I guess.