GAI Disappointment
Mantlefan
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I get many of my PSA registry cards from crossovers from other companies. Generally I have been very satisfied with my SGC results. My first GAI crossover was a disaster! 6 GAI 8's crossed to [1] PSA 6, [4] PSA 7 and [1] PSA 8. 
PSA Order Status for Invoice # 8029562
LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 30332112 1955 BOWMAN 1 HOYT WILHELM N/A 6
2 30332113 1957 TOPPS 113 WILMER MIZELL N/A 7
3 30332114 1957 TOPPS 173 ROGER CRAIG N/A 7
4 30332115 1957 TOPPS 279 BOB THURMAN N/A 7
5 30332116 1957 TOPPS 316 BILLY O'DELL N/A 7
6 30332117 1960 TOPPS 40 RAY KROUSE N/A 8
PSA Order Status for Invoice # 8029562
LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 30332112 1955 BOWMAN 1 HOYT WILHELM N/A 6
2 30332113 1957 TOPPS 113 WILMER MIZELL N/A 7
3 30332114 1957 TOPPS 173 ROGER CRAIG N/A 7
4 30332115 1957 TOPPS 279 BOB THURMAN N/A 7
5 30332116 1957 TOPPS 316 BILLY O'DELL N/A 7
6 30332117 1960 TOPPS 40 RAY KROUSE N/A 8
Frank
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
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Was that 1955 Bowman Hoyt Wilhelm GAI 8 the one that was on Ebay in the middle of September 2002? If so -- I remember that auction vividly. There were a bunch of 1955 Bowman GAI 8 cards -- including some that were very hard to find in PSA 8 condition. The Wilhelm had a BIN of $222. Since I was so unsure of GAI's reputation at the time, I passed, and the auctioned ended up going in the high $300s, I believe. After the auction ended, I kind of kicked myself for not hitting the BIN, especially since the Wilhelm is a dastardly difficult card to find in PSA 8.
I won two GAI 8's of other 1955 Bowman cards at the time, and have not decided what I want to do with the cards (one of the cards I still need in PSA 8, but may be able to trade for it).
Sorry your resubmission result did not meet your expectations.
<< <i>I thought this was a thread about the prices realized in Zardoz's GAI auctions! >>
This has always amazed me -- some folks on this board take great pleasure and effort in determining how other people should buy and sell cards.
If Z chooses GAI and doesn't realize PSA prices on cards -- so what? Thats Z's business.
If collector xyz consigns with an auction house, sells privately, sells through ebay, etc -- so what? Thats the collector's business.
We have literally had posts making fun of someone for selling a card that eventually gets flipped for a higher price? So what.
I think people that buy new cards are not economically efficient. I think people that have consumer debt are not economically efficient. I think people that have a mortgage more than 15 years are not economically efficient. So what? Its a free flipping country.
CU turns its lonely eyes to you
What's the you say, Mrs Robinson
Vargha bucks have left and gone away?
hey hey hey
hey hey hey
TheBobs-
FYI...you posted the original thread regarding Z becoming a GAI Authorized dealer.
John
I JUST HAD A CARD PURCHASED FROM
KYLE'S CARDS UNGRADED DUE TO ALTERED.
HE'S A GOOD GUY.I BELIEVE HIM BEFORE THE GRADERS.
NICE!
I don't give a phlyin phook how he get's his cards graded, sells his cards, etc. I was merely making an observation. This board gives collectors the opportunity to make observations and voice their opinion. In your own words "Its a free flipping country." So get over it while there's still a chance.
I did bring it up. I thought it was significant. I also know that some people will not be happy with it as they view it a threat to PSA. Some people will support Zardoz regardless as he is a class act and good friend.
Whether I brought it up or not, the issue would have been discussed and people would have offered their opinions. I thought the issue should be brought up in a neutral fashion, and thats what I attempted to do.
Zardoz is an intelligent business person. I am sure he is applying those skills that made him successful in his career into this decision. He is a forward thinking person. He reasoning has given me opportunity to review my collecting strategies.
This is the point I was trying to make earlier -- The fact that a specific card might sell for more or less in one instance doesn't prove his decision right or wrong -- I guess that was my point. I didn't do a great job of stating that earlier.
waittilitstartstosmell,
I was trying to make a general point and shouldn't have used your quote in specific. I apologize for that error. I now know you were making an observation about something that you don't care about.
I have no doubt that your purposes here are noble and pure. Have a nice day.
CU turns its lonely eyes to you
What's the you say, Mrs Robinson
Vargha bucks have left and gone away?
hey hey hey
hey hey hey
I can beat that. I have had numerous cards that I broke out of PSA holders (because I have mainly bought PSA graded cards) not re-grade by PSA. Does that mean that they were altered?
Almost everyone that I speak with who is using PSA has complained to me that PSA has been tough on grading. Does this mean that the 6 cards graded by GAI were over graded or that these cards, or any other that were graded right now, were graded too harshly by PSA?
All grading companies make errors. 6 cards by GAI is not really enough to make any opinion. I have seen over graded cards in every holder possible.
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Greg:
How can you say such a thing?! Every PRO-graded card I have ever encountered has glowing/hallucinogenic white borders, RAZOR sharp corners, and a miniature holder to fit the card. A card really can't be overgraded if it wasn't supposed to be graded in the first place!!!
tradelist
So what exactly are YOUR purposes here?
I did bring it up. I thought it was significant.
It's about as significant as the hair on my butt
I also know that some people will not be happy with it as they view it a threat to PSA
Yeah, I bet PSA mentions it in their annual report. Zardoz decides to use GAI: we're closing the doors!
The fact that a specific card might sell for more or less in one instance doesn't prove his decision right or wrong
How about the fact that 90% or more of the time, ANY card will sell for less in a GAI holder. Most dealers I know are just not as righteous I guess.
I didn't do a great job of stating that earlier.
I was trying to make a general point and shouldn't have used your quote in specific. I apologize for that error.
Serious question: Do you ever actually put any thought into your "point" before pressing the Reply to Thread button?
I am not trying to start ANYTHING by the way .... just curious.
I am going to use both companies, and a few SGC so I would like to know.
Frank, btw, did the holder shatter when broken? I know holders have been an issue as of late ...
Thanks
<< <i>It's about as significant as the hair on my butt >>
At least 5 of your 57 posts are about this very topic (GAI and/or Zardoz going to them). You claim --
<< <i>I don't give a phlyin phook how he get's his cards graded, sells his cards, etc. >>
Yet you introduced the topic into this thread --
<< <i>Your title fooled me. I thought this was a thread about the prices realized in Zardoz's GAI auctions! >>
Why have you contributed 8.7% of your posts to a topic so insignificant?
CU turns its lonely eyes to you
What's the you say, Mrs Robinson
Vargha bucks have left and gone away?
hey hey hey
hey hey hey
theBobs, you just slay me.
Aren't you the same guy who starts a 1965 Topps set and then gives up at 17% complete? Nearly all 17% was high population as I recall.
Aren't you the same guy who joins a fantasy football league, drafts the WRONG Ricky Williams who turns out to be a third stringer, then gives up on the whole season because of one draft mistake?
Aren't you the same guy who posts numerous one-liners, i.e., "yep," "that would be right," etc. just to boost your post count.
Now you're jumping all over a guy's thread as if you're some big shot. Read my tag line, then go crawl back in your hole.
Look peabrain, I am going to say this verrrry slowly
I
don't
make
or
lose
one
penny
if
Zardoz
grades
with
GAI.
The
fact
is
that
GAI
sales
realize
significantly
less
money
than
PSA.
Most
dealers
and
collectors
care
about
the
value
of
their
cards.
Zardoz
can
give
his
cards
away
if
it
pleases
him
and
I
will
still
love
him.
drafts the WRONG Ricky Williams who turns out to be a third stringer, then gives up on the whole season because of one draft mistake
The swine!
Just the type of guy you'd catch whistling on a Tuesday!
Not unless whistling on a Tuesday proves one to be a loser, quitter or worse.
<< <i>Not unless whistling on a Tuesday proves one to be a loser, quitter or worse. >>
EDITED FOR CLARIFICATION....
NICE GUY
Is that what you meant?
man...things are getting a bit "chippy" around here.
John
Its not like I make claims that a SGC 86 is better'n PSA and could cross to PSA 8.
CU turns its lonely eyes to you
What's the you say, Mrs Robinson
Vargha bucks have left and gone away?
hey hey hey
hey hey hey
Don't knock theBobs one liners, if it weren't for them, he wouldn't have any coherent posts.
I wasnt calling you a _________...I was just trying to guess what Toppsgun meant by his post.
John
EDITED: TheBobs is not a bad guy.
Please don't even insinuate name calling. the Bobs is very sensitive and it might result in him hitting you over the head with his calculator (after removing it from his purse)
Traitor? I have made 2 submissions to PSA. None to anywhere else?
You might want to take the question mark from behind else so that your post is coherent.
<< <i>kyle's cards is not clean >>
Can you elaborate?
Back to my original thoughts on this thread which has now gotten out of hand. 1420, the cards looked pretty good to me in the GAI holders, but each had a weak corner or 2. They were not damaged on "extraction". We've all had cards we felt were undergraded by PSA, but 6 downgrades was very disappointing to me. True, these cards cost me less than the equivalent PSA cards would have cost, but in the past, this has worked very well for me with SGC. I guess I'll stick with SGC for crossovers now
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
It was the Ricky Williams faux pas, wasn't it? Hurt pretty bad, huh? Being called out in front of all the CU board members as the quitter.
I gotta tell ya, man, you are the laughing stock of the PM circuit. I only wish I'd have saved them all to show you. Here's one:
"...you sir have the post of the year. That was an a**-kicking if Ive ever read one."
Keep it up. We're lovin' it.