A Indian Head Cent thats a beauty! If you can tear yourself away from those other threads!

LucyBop · January 24, 2003 11:23AM

A stunning obverse, another killer Doops special...

Very tasty!

mbbiker · January 24, 2003 11:33AM

I like it, is it raw?

oilydog · January 24, 2003 11:47AM

This I like! BOW WOW! What do you suppose it will bring when someone(who knows how many years from now)finally decides to sell it?

FC57Coins · January 24, 2003 11:52AM

<< Very tasty! >>

Absolutely!!!!

Oh - the coin's nice too

indianabyron · January 24, 2003 12:05PM

Nice I could use that one. That way I would only need a 1906 toned and i would have 1900 to 1909 all toned.

Byron

Pushkin · January 24, 2003 12:33PM

I heard that the 1950s - 1960s Gilbert Chemistry Sets were readily available on eBay. Guess there is quite a market for them.

LucyBop · January 24, 2003 12:35PM

<< heard that the 1950s - 1960s Gilbert Chemistry Sets were readily available on eBay. Guess there is quite a market for them. >>

and what is that supposed to imply? Maybe I have cats..... Nothing like a good litter box?

clackamas · January 24, 2003 1:00PM

I have been wondering this for quite sometime; copper coins can be beautifully toned yet they bring a negative premium. I wonder if change is afoot and nicely toned copper will have its day.

Lakesammman · January 24, 2003 1:12PM

Picked up this 1881 RB the other day - not as nice as yours but I sure like it.

3 slightly different lighting angles.

edited for spelling

oldcameoproofsguy · January 24, 2003 2:13PM

That is a beauty all right! One o' these days I'm going to have to purchase a wild toned, proof Indian head cent.

stman · January 25, 2003 9:17AM

I'm going out on a limb on this one. I say AT ( Attic Toned)

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · January 25, 2003 10:35AM

Lucy,

You need to stick with your Frankies !!!!!

In the world of copper this coin is a joke.It is mint state ....but is it really mint state ?The toning is completely bogus 167% certain.
What you need to look for on a mint state coin is FROST It kind of looks like peach fuzz.The stuff that most boys had on their cheeks when we were 13 years old.Thats the kind of mint state coins that make copper freaks go into cardiac arrest.Please turn me on .....don't make me vomit

coppercoins · January 25, 2003 10:57AM

It's not for me. I don't like it.

LucyBop · January 25, 2003 11:24AM

<< You need to stick with your Frankies !!!!! >>

I am, the coin isn't mine...

shylock · January 25, 2003 11:34AM

Love that genuine copper peach fuzz...

Pushkin · January 25, 2003 11:49AM

<< the coin isn't mine ... >>

Good!

I wouldn't doubt that the owner has one of these: Copper Toning Kit:

doops · January 25, 2003 12:01PM

<< Lucy,

You need to stick with your Frankies !!!!!

In the world of copper this coin is a joke.It is mint state ....but is it really mint state ?The toning is completely bogus 167% certain.
What you need to look for on a mint state coin is FROST It kind of looks like peach fuzz.The stuff that most boys had on their cheeks when we were 13 years old.Thats the kind of mint state coins that make copper freaks go into cardiac arrest.Please turn me on .....don't make me vomit >>

that only proves YOU dont know what you THINK you know. this coin is one of 30 out of an original assemled ihc set put together in the 50's and 60's in wayte raymond boards by an extremely wealthy doctor. most have this same coloration, that one is the flashiest. (unfortunately th 77 is 61 or 2 tops. a church old lady friend of my mother's who's husband 90+ yrs old passed last year and she is allowing me to buy his enitre collection. i saw most of these coins in this same stage of tonng,including a wonder color morgan set COMPLETE with a rainbow dcam pr63 95 some 10-12 yrs ago when they hosted an outing church picnic at their mansion. you dont know squat. this coin will go ngc 64*star. wanna wager?? with a neautral escrow on money? put up/shut up

Pushkin · January 25, 2003 12:06PM

<< that only proves YOU dont know what you THINK you know. this coin is one of 30 out of an original assemled ihc set put together in the 50's and 60's in wayte raymond boards by an extremely wealthy doctor. >>

The Gilbert Chemistry Sets were particulary popular in the 50's and 60's - but I would suspect only a wealthy doctor could have afforded the "Giant" model. Coin Toning Kit:

<< this coin will go ngc 64*star >>

I believe that is the SEGS * (star)

<< a church old lady friend of my mother's who's husband 90+ yrs old passed last year and she is allowing me to buy his enitre collection. >>

Has Deb been ghostwriting?

stman · January 25, 2003 12:10PM

Oh no, look what I got going now. AT all the way

toothpuller · January 25, 2003 12:53PM

Pushkin - some potassium permangate from the chemistry kit will give you that nice little purple oxide look.

doops · January 25, 2003 12:58PM

if some of you guys only truly knew a tenth of what you are trying to impress others into thinking you knew it
would be one thing. rambling nonsense that is posted on these boards every day only proves that to not be "theory" but A MATTER OF FACT as all you guys i'm referring to do is shoot from the hip in hopes of hitting the bullseye..it's a joke here some of the stuff some will post...not knowing ANYTHING but how to start an argument...

stman · January 25, 2003 2:33PM

You talking to me?

doops · January 25, 2003 2:39PM

<< You talking to me? >>

NO I WASNT TALKING TO YOU. BUT IF YOU THINK THAT 1908 INDIAN IS A/T, ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT
GOD AND 50 YEARS IN WAYTE RAYMOND BOARDS GAVE IT THEN YOU DONT KNOW YOUR STUFF EITHER.
YOU GOT PROS WHO KNOW,JOES WHO BLOW AND IN-BEWTWEENERS THAT JUST WANT TO BE A PART OF THE SHOW....HOWS THAT?

stman · January 25, 2003 3:21PM

Sounds like you are talking to me then. No, I don't think the color is real. Seems like you want to get caulky so see if you can follow this. First of all why don't you learn how to use the caps keys correctly. Second I notice you offer to send the coin to the "service of choice." You say NGC would give it a 64*. Well, when you're done reading this if you can follow this click on the link below.

Are you still following me Doops? I hit the enter key which allows most people a chance to follow. The link below is a coin that was graded by your service of choice, it's a NGC ms63*. So we know they will clearly slab a blatant AT coin and put a * on it. Why have I kept it if I know it's AT? To be able to show what "Market Acceptable" is to people like you with your service of choice.

I really didn't know it was your coin to begin with, But why have someone else post your coins? Start off with a couple decent ones and then slide a loser in there.

I'll tell you what, maybe you think you are gaining business by attacking people with your gibberish, but you're making a fool of yourself. Now I'm not going to keep going round with you, and I know you bring bail money with you but this won't go that far.

Why not offer to send the coin to pgs? So how is that?

Ms63* your service of choice

rev

coinguy1 · January 25, 2003 10:42PM

Please add me to the list of those who don't know what they're talking about - I would be honored.

The coin doesn't look original to me either. However, anyone is free to disagree with me, without being insulted.

Pushkin · January 25, 2003 11:39PM

<< Pushkin - some potassium permangate from the chemistry kit will give you that nice little purple oxide look. >>

Toothpuller, excellent observation and right on. Of course those little min-torches from Radio Shack, Dellers Darkener and the stuff to "blue" guns mixed together, followed by a visit to the light bulb with a dip in a number of the "patina mixes" that sculpters use, ..... the possibilities are endless.

With all humility, I suggest some of the forum members study a little chemistry, metallurgy, how sculpters add patinas to metal, and so on. I in no way want to tell people what coins to buy - but they should know what they are buying.

I suppose now, if some of the forum's detectives start following the sales old chemisty sets on eBay - oh well, better not touch that one.

Lakesammman · January 26, 2003 2:56AM

Didn't want to be the first to burst the bubble but, now that the deed is done, I agree. The toning pattern also doesn't fit the story, as a side note.

Heard a great talk at FUN re: toning. That dealer, with 17 years experience, is becoming more flexible with what he considers original toning, IF (and a big IF) the story is appropriate. He had many "Appalachian" nickles at his booth - spectacular! Just like verifying unusual sport memorabilia, the story supported the toning.

Pushkin - what happened to your tag line: buy the story first...??

shylock · January 26, 2003 3:26AM

I thought the story was wonderful. Wayte Raymond, a wealthy doctor, his church lady wife, even a picnic. The closer for me was the neutral escrow account wager and confirmation that we don't know squat.

jom · January 26, 2003 3:38AM

Shylock: Doesn't purple = bleach when it comes to copper? I don't know... ????

Anyway, I have seen some rainbow toning on copper. Shylock had one he got sometime this past year and I own a Lincoln but this one below looks "funny". It is pretty though....

jom

Pushkin · January 26, 2003 3:42AM

I'm working two threads at once.

Buy one of these Coin Toning Kits and make one of these (works even better on copper)!

Time to set up an anonymous eBay account and start reeling in the BIG BUCKS !

While selling old Gilberts on the side.

coppercoins · January 26, 2003 3:49AM

Not to be jumping on the band wagon here, but I agree the coin is not original and is also not even good looking for a faked color coin. I can just smell the chemicals on the coin looking at the photo.

As for Doops, why not just ignore him? Obvious that he's just a moron trying to pull everyone else into his pathetic little diatribe with himself. Doops, you need some serious professional intervention. I never knew you before this board and can safely say after reading your blither I would never buy a coin from you, and I am sure there are many here who follow that same mind set. You've ruined any chance at making customers you ever had here, so why don't you take your bad manners and terrible writing style someplace else?

jom · January 26, 2003 3:50AM

Maybe he ought to sell that chem set with a experiment roll of 1964 Kennedy halves.

jom

stman · January 26, 2003 4:10AM

<< Heard a great talk at FUN re: toning. That dealer, with 17 years experience, is becoming more flexible with what he considers original toning, IF (and a big IF) the story is appropriate. He had many "Appalachian" nickles at his booth - spectacular >>

This is one of them. Not as wild as some of them but a stunner in person. I liked this one because it wasn't as wild as some of them.

edit to add the rev

DCAMFranklin · January 26, 2003 4:31AM

<< 

<< Pushkin - some potassium permangate from the chemistry kit will give you that nice little purple oxide look. >>

Toothpuller, excellent observation and right on. Of course those little min-torches from Radio Shack, Dellers Darkener and the stuff to "blue" guns mixed together, followed by a visit to the light bulb with a dip in a number of the "patina mixes" that sculpters use, ..... the possibilities are endless.

With all humility, I suggest some of the forum members study a little chemistry, metallurgy, how sculpters add patinas to metal, and so on. I in no way want to tell people what coins to buy - but they should know what they are buying.

I suppose now, if some of the forum's detectives start following the sales old chemisty sets on eBay - oh well, better not touch that one.

>>

Pushkin, when they are done with the chemistry sets and blow torches, do then then "Windex" the coin?

MacCoin · January 26, 2003 4:37AM

Hi Hipkitty! Looks like this one got a little warm, is there pockets in those red shorts??

LucyBop · January 26, 2003 4:43AM

<< is there pockets in those red shorts?? >>

You know it Baby, very deep ones too!

shylock · January 26, 2003 4:48AM

Mac -- I have a feeling your Super Bowl party is already in the 4th quarter. Stay warm up there in God's country!

DCAMFranklin · January 26, 2003 4:53AM

<< 

<< is there pockets in those red shorts?? >>

You know it Baby, very deep ones too! >>

Lucy, it looks like you "lightened" them up just a bit with this little purchase.

LINK

Congratulations! That is a super coin. Won't find that baby on Ebay very often!!

doops · January 26, 2003 1:27PM

mark/pinnacle, i'm really suprised you acting as if you arent recognizing a true wonder coin and are participating in the "pile on" crap these boys pull on here. i'm really very surprised at that...
dchumpdubyameo yo days are numbered so you better enjoy what you can while you have the ability and forum to do so. get your software job back if you really did leave it for an attempt at dealing...
lucy:ingore these idiots,obviously they all have tried to find out how to do what pros do and cant...
furthermore,the chemistry set bs from whoever it was,obviously was a joke. i didnt even know you could buy such a thing nor would i ever harm or denegrate an outstanding or even regular avg coin even trying to "toy around" with something i coldnt even remotely begin to know of or desire to know of how to do..that is ludicrous...this is the least and the most i would post here or say here. exception would be in your ears on a private phone call..

DCAMFranklin · January 28, 2003 4:22AM

<< Not to be jumping on the band wagon here, but I agree the coin is not original and is also not even good looking for a faked color coin. I can just smell the chemicals on the coin looking at the photo.

As for Doops, why not just ignore him? Obvious that he's just a moron trying to pull everyone else into his pathetic little diatribe with himself. Doops, you need some serious professional intervention. I never knew you before this board and can safely say after reading your blither I would never buy a coin from you, and I am sure there are many here who follow that same mind set. You've ruined any chance at making customers you ever had here, so why don't you take your bad manners and terrible writing style someplace else? >>

C.D.- You said it SO well, I thought it was worthy of being repeated!

AbesNeighbor · January 28, 2003 4:29AM

I actually like the subtle toning on the reverse better than the obverse

dorkkarl · January 28, 2003 4:35AM

it is an attractive coin, imo.

K S

Baley · January 28, 2003 5:57AM

it is an attractive coin, imo.<<<

aha we are at the crux of the issue now, I agree that it is an attractive piece IF THE PRICE WERE RIGHT.

Raw, I might pay a modest premium (10-30%) for a coin like this over one of the same grade untoned.

Certified by P or N, maybe a bit more, say 50%, because it would be very easy to resell at any time.

I do think anyone paying more than a double (or 10X or more, eeeek) premium for ANY color is buying tulips at the height of the Dutch craze.

all the people slamming this coin, are you saying you would not want to own it at ANY price??

i find that hard to believe, as i would buy just about ANY coin if the price were right (enuf below market)

Lakesammman · January 28, 2003 6:57AM

Reminds me of a good quotation. There is no price too low for a problem coin.

Pushkin · January 28, 2003 7:22AM

The coin definitely has value:

-- as a chemistry class metal oxidation demonstration

-- Radio Shack mini-blowtorch commercial

-- educational seminar exhibit on "accelerated toning" and fraud in the numismatic world

-- sculptors' convention vendors' exhibits of "patina creams" effectiveness

-- catalyst for prolonging coin forum threads

-- "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" discussion during a philosophers retreat entitled "The Bad, The Worse, and The Ugly - In Science, Art, and The Relm of Collecting".

-- metallurgical exhibit on "The Application and Results of Rapid High Temperatures to Copper and Coppr Alloys".

-- exhibit at the P.T. Barnum and W.C. Fields Traveling Roadshow - in the section "There is a sucker born every minute" and "two crooks to swindle him".

I need to go pet the cat - I know he hasn't been to the hair salon for a dye job.

"Buy what you like, but know what you buy." ...Pushkin

View the following at your own risk: So You Want a Pretty Penny?

eagle7 · January 28, 2003 7:30AM

Obviously mr pushkin is a true collector and would not own such a coin. You are wrong however about your assesment that the coin is only worth a "science experiment" price. You dont like it thats fine. My Baley is right this coin has value and there is nothing you can do to stop people from paying over bid for a coin like that. Its the same with the people who are buying 1881-S morgan dollars for 1500 in ms 64 because it has a nicely toned obverse. Never mind that the coin was placed in a shoebox with a few grains of flowers of sulfer and heated for about 15 minutes at 200 degrees. If the coin looks nice and is in a P or N holder and the money is paid for it, it has value and there is nothing you or I can do to change that fact.

Pushkin · January 28, 2003 7:46AM

<< nothing you or I can do to change that fact. >>

This forum member is in no way trying to put a price on anything - simply listing some of the things for which the coin has value. Nor is there any attempt to tell people what to buy or what to like. The only thing the post is suggesting is that an educated buyer is probably less likely to regret a purchase than one who doesn't understand fully what they are buying. An opinion is being expressed - that is all. I'm too old and too tired to waste my time telling people what to do - that is an exercise better left to the purveyors of dogma.

A Indian Head Cent thats a beauty! If you can tear yourself away from those other threads!

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