HOW THE F*** IS TIM COUCH STILL A LISTED STAR PLAYER??

jbugs

He sucks!! I'd take akili smith over him any day. And he has proved that he sucks, nobody collects him, he gets boo'd every game, and yet beckett has him as a listed star. WTF!!!1

KOBEcollector

ya, then you got guys like alexander, boston, dillon, priest holmes and marvin harrison as unlisted stars. dosen't make any sense to me

jbugs

no kidding. especially dillon and holmes. what more do they have to do to get listed?? dillon has had 1000+ yds rushing every season, playing for the BENGALS! holmes has also proved himself these last few years!

tmac21

I'm not saying dillon is bad but.....I havent heard much about him this year?......taking Akili Smith over Couch is exagirating a liitle too much...the Browns arent doing that bad this year....

zimmy3

JBugs, since ya don't seem to know anything, let me fill you in. Beckett doesn't look at a players stats and decide who is what, they look at the sale of cards. Yea Couch is worse than all those guys, but the prices are determined on the popularity

CARDJUNKIE3

tmac21- I'm with you. I could say alot of things, but, I'm not gonna get started.
Rick GO BROWNS

jbugs

zimmy, let me clue you in. nobody collects couch! he sells for less than akili smith. he's gets boo'd every game. a lot of it doesnt go by sales of the cards, there are a TON of cards that are underpriced, and even more that are OVERPRICED! beckett gets their prices from a select group of people, and they give what they'd pay and what they've gotten for the card.

you havent heard much of dillon, but he already has over 1000 yds rushing.

browns arent doing to bad, 6-6, a lot better than last year, but no playoff hopes.

JoeBenson

Nah, Couch is a very good QB....Who does he have on the team, yet since he has started up they have been a winning team the past couple years....Before him they were probably the worst team in the NFL, takes more than 1, especially in football

Allen

Tim Couch still sells decent. I plan on picking up a nice Couch rookie in the next few days. His SP Authentic goes for around $35-$55 that is roughly the same range as Daunte Culpepper, almost as much as Edgerrin James and more than double what Torry Holt goes for. Tim Couch's SPx rookie usually brings $110+
So there is still a market for him, he could always get on a new team and be good. QBs always have a shot at greatness.

jbugs

who does he have, lets see
kevin johnson
quincy morgan
andre davis
william green
dennis northcutt

record with couch 14-20 (since 2000)

jbugs

im looking at ebay now, most sp authentic are under $35, with a few in th 40's, and a few int he 20's. the only spx that sell over $100 are ones graded 9. the none-graded(only 1 so far) sold for $75.
culpepper are over $150 ungraded here are the prices in the last 15 days for him $190, 152, 167.50, 158.50, 128.16.
So couch and culpepper sell the same? culpepper is TWICE couch. not even 1/3 of all couch cards put on ebay sell. holt sells around the same prices as couch, and his cards book half as much.

zimmy3

I agree with you that guys like Dillon and so on should be worth more, god you are such a moron. But it all depends on the market, it doesnt depend on who is generally assumed to be good or not. They dont go and ask sportswriters to put each player in a category.

jbugs

they done go by prices of the markey, and where the hell did sports writers come from? they have a select group of dealers that they use to get their prices.

JoeBenson

kevin johnson
quincy morgan
andre davis
william green
dennis northcutt


All young guys, no pro Bowl Players whatsoever.....Some of those young guys could turn out to be nobody's.....There are soo many guys like that on every team, not all of them amount to much

KingCobra

I wouldn't take Akili Smith over a dead man.

Remster

Couch lists high for the same reason Leaf did...Potential...He's still young (What's this,his 3rd year) and though he has good receivers...he doesn't have a great go to guy

jbugs

4th yr, but ya, he's young. leaf had potential his first few yrs, and wheres he at now?

SlipKnot515

man....i look at this and wonder "is it possible for jbugs to have a decent argument?"

Allen

im looking at ebay now, most sp authentic are under $35, with a few in th 40's, and a few int he 20's. the only spx that sell over $100 are ones graded 9. the none-graded(only 1 so far) sold for $75.
culpepper are over $150 ungraded here are the prices in the last 15 days for him $190, 152, 167.50, 158.50, 128.16.
So couch and culpepper sell the same? culpepper is TWICE couch. not even 1/3 of all couch cards put on ebay sell. holt sells around the same prices as couch, and his cards book half as much.

If you look at the one that went for $75 you will see that the seller has no feedback in nearly a year and one of his last was negative.
RAW COUCH SPx $120
RAW COUCH SPx $112.50 (2 1/2 hours left)
RAW COUCH SPA 10 BIDS $83
RAW COUCH SPA 7 BIDS $50
I pick up Holt SPA's for around $15-$18 and the SPx for less than $20

jbugs

zimmy a decent argument?? why because i prove your little azz wrong on everything

zimmy3

JBugs, I didn't respond cause I WASNT AT MY COMPUTER, WOW! LOL, I am the one that proves you wrong on everything. You are just a stat hound and everyone here knows it. No matter what it applies to, you are a stat hound. Yes beckett makes errors in pricing cards, however you also must realize that many times even if a player is better than others, for some reason he just doesn't have a big following and their cards are cheaper. LOL, come on, give me a challenge

ScoutDawg

heres a better argument for all of you guys
Look at Rich Gannon cards and look at his stats(should be mvp this year)
but hes still a non listed player thats a shame and no respect for all of his effort
as for Couch, hell if he played for the redskins they would be in the playoffs easy

jbugs

<< <i> I didn't respond cause I WASNT AT MY COMPUTER, WOW! LOL, I am the one that proves you wrong on everything >>



who gives a f**k if you were online or not, nobody cares!! and name 1 time you've legitametly proved me wrong!!

Vincecarder

Man Couch must have got quite a few extra fans with that Hailmary bomb to win the game on Sunday.....wow, that was a sick play! Let's see if that bumps up his RC's on ebay...

zimmy3

LOL, what a moron. How am I supposed to respond to you if I'm not at my computer? LOL. And I have legitimately proved you wrong on this point, on the McNabb/Favre point, and probably some other arguments I can't remember right now. Im sure we have argued over other stuff

KingCobra

In my admittedly short time on here, I've yet to see jbugs make a compelling sports argument. he comes off as a 13 year old kid who likes to yell about how great his team is and how he knows everything.

Bobstar

Bengals management must think like jbugs does.Smith or Dillon wouldn't make the 3rd string on most other NFL squads.These losers
are right where they belong.
To even compare a talent the likes of Tim Couch to these clowns is an insult & shows me you have no idea what you are talking about.
Butch Davis will have the Browns in great shape next year. Remember where he coached before? Miami,that is about to play for
the natinal championship again;most of these players are the guys Butch Davis recruited.
He'll & the Browns be a force to reckon with very soon in the NFL as well.This is only his 2nd year in the league.
So,take your stats & stand in the corner.It's the intangibles that make the difference.As far as beckett goes;again it is a "guide" just like tuff stuff,ebay etc........& the buying public that sets the standards.I am proud to say I have a few very nice Tim Couch cards & also happy to say none of Akili or Corey altho thiers would make for nice firestarters on a cold winter nite.Later.

jbugs

zimmy- i proved your azz wrong on the farve/mcnabb thing.
bobstar- dillon 3rd string?? wtf!! he gets 1000yd+ seasons with the BENGALS!! if he played for a team with good o-line he'd have 1500-2000 yd seasons. 3rd string my azz.
allen-i see you picked the highest ones that sold on ebay in the last year(most back when he was still selling good) ill do a search again and get the sale in the last few months for both players cards.

jbugs

zimmy- nobody has said anything about you being slow at responding or nto being at your computer?? why the f**k are you throwing that out in every post you make??
zimmy- stat hound?? ya, i go by stats. stats tell who is the better play and who is the team.
king cobra- not a decent sports argument?? how isnt it?? because i prove all your bi*ch azz's wrong on every post i make?

if stats dont mean anything, then how come they are kept, how come they are what puts people in the record books, how come they bring teams to superbowl, how come they are ultimetly the deciding factor on who is good and who isnt, as well as who goes to hall of fame?? stats also make MVP votes, although media hype has a big part in that respect. farve is what 2nd in turnovers in the nfl? like 8th in tds(has he caught mcnabb yet??) 10 in yds(2nd, 8th, and 10th are guessing, not 100%, but will find out later tonight)

zimmy3

LOL, ok whatever you say. You are a stat hound, plain and simple. And I totally proved you wrong on that. QB rating and passing efficiency and yardage, all proved you wrong. Sorry, come up with some intelligent argument sometime instead of say azz and using like five !!!!! every single time you write a sentence

zimmy3

You whine that I am not responding to your posts and then when I told ya I was gone you are saying it doesn't matter? Ok, that makes sense. Stats mean something, but they are NOT everything. You do not know FB if you dont know that. BTW, it has now been proven McNabb may not be as great as you think. In two of the games you scored alot of points with a 2nd/3rd sting QB. Sorry, you don't know anything about football. I agree with what someone else here said, I think you are just a little boy throwing out arguments that have no validity to them. I think you may be the same person i was arguing with yesterday that told me that WRs make the QB and talent of a QB doesn't matter. Totally ridiculous arguments that cannot hold up

jbugs

lol, the only thing farve had better was completion percentage. qb rating means nothing considering most qbs in this day and age run, and that isnt incorporated into it. even if you count that, mcnabb had the important stats, wins, yards, touchdowns, few turnovers, more points!


OH AND YA, SHOW ME 1 TIME IVE WHINED IN ANY POST ABOUT YOU NOT RESPONDING FAST ENOUGH?

oh, and 1 more question, are you and kingcobra the same person?

jbugs

the eagles score a lotta poiints with their 2nd and 3rd string qbs?? detmer put up some good numbers, yes, but feely didnt do crap, and they played the freaking rams

KingCobra

LOL, if me and zimmy are the same person, than we have some serious self-hatred issues, since me and him argue way more than we agree

jbugs

we never had any discussion about qbs and recievers yesterday you moron.
intelligent argument?? me not having any?? i think ive proved you wrong on everything you've posted so far!(except favre's qb rating)

zimmy3

I was throwing that out to see if you could actually come up with an intelligent response for once. McNabb is the second best QB in the league in my opinion. The Eagles played these cupcake teams that Jeff George could have beaten

jbugs

lol, cupcake teams? the 49ers?? with mcnabb they played teams harder than the packers. u still think farve is #1 qb although stats proved that wrong.

zimmy3

Sunday December 08, 2002 8:07 PM (NEW!)
"zimmy a decent argument?? why because i prove your little azz wrong on everything"

You posted that after I hadnt posted in the thread for 6 hours. You thought I had given up on making arguments, thats why you posted that. Please don't give me any BS that it took you 6 hours to make a post asking me for a better argument, you did that cause you thought I had given up. Case closed, you lose again. Does anyone here have an intelligent argument? Please, I would like to argue with an intelligent person for once. This is going to be my last post in this thread for awhile, its getting pathetic how well I can contradict this loser

jbugs

??? u make no sense!! how does that have anything to do with anything?? i didnt post for 6 hrs, so what?? i dont live on here! case closed?? you have yet to make a valid point. im guessing your version of an intellegent conversation is one you win?? guess not this one, because ive proved you wrong once again little buddy


"You posted that after I hadnt posted in the thread for 6 hours. You thought I had given up on making arguments, thats why you posted that. Please don't give me any BS that it took you 6 hours to make a post asking me for a better argument, you did that cause you thought I had given up. Case closed, you lose again. Does anyone here have an intelligent argument? Please, I would like to argue with an intelligent person for once. This is going to be my last post in this thread for awhile, its getting pathetic how well I can contradict this loser "

CARDJUNKIE3

jbugs, PLEASE put a let's dog Tim Couch post up every week.
Rick

jbugs

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zimmy3

I just cant resist one more post. You posted about 20 minutes after I said that and then you posted again about 20 minutes before you made that post about me. So dont be giving me this junk that you were also gone. You were trying to provoke me into an argument cause you thought I had quit on ya. Sorry, case closed. I provide evidence, you provide swears, everyone here knows it. Thank you, and Good Night!

jbugs

i provoked you because i didnt post for a few hours?? csae closed?? ya that your a moron? you provide evidence? ya on how little you know and how much of a moron you are