Finger print for David Hall

DRG

Here is a finger print on a coin I recently had graded. I assure you it was not there when I sent the coin in. This is only one of many examples I have had recently. I have been planning to send them back but I was not sure how I would be treated so I have held back and hoped for the best.



P.S. It looks worse in real life.

mr1931S

They use gloves at PCGS,DRG...

The fingerprint may not have been visible to them when the coin was graded...

I've got a prooflike 1880-S dollar that i would submit to PCGS if only DH would put his fingerprint on it...it would be a great rarity...

MAULUMALL

It looks like Ike got a combover.

MAULUMALL

I believe you are incorrect here as it was put forth that PCGS " Did not use gloves", in the Q&A forum some time back.

dbldie55

PCGS does not use gloves. Don't know where you heard that, but it is not true.

Placid

They do not use gloves.


Q&A one answer

dorkkarl

it looks like a toupe!

K S

mr1931S

>>I believe you are incorrect here as it was put forth that PCGS did not use gloves in the Q&A forum some time back.

It appears that i have uttered a false statement...

Question for David Hall: Why don't you guys use gloves?

PCGS handlers wearing facemasks to eliminate the risk of spittle striking the pristine surfaces of my 1880-S dollar would be a nice touch...

DRG

I cut open the mint package and slid the coin into a slip, folded it over, labeled it and sent it to pcgs. I would not of sent a coin with a print like that to PCGS and the likelyhood that the print showed up after 30 years while it was at PCGS for 30 days seems remote.

mr1931S

DRG,it sounds like the coin handlers at PCGS should be wearing gloves...

or DH should be shaving the swoops and swirls off their fingers...

prooflike

I think that is enough of a print to get a match!

airplanenut

You get a better grip without gloves, which is why they aren't worn.

mr1931S

my own fingerprints are on file at the Colorado Bureau of Investigation...

for not wearing gloves...

Charlie

DRG,


Please call or e-mail me and I will work with you on this problem.

800-447-8848 ext 141

Charlie@collectors.com

Thanks,


Charlie

mr1931S

makes sense...the grip is less on the coin if the handler is wearing gloves...

how about the coin being placed on a sophisticated cushion of rushing chemically pure air while being graded.In essence,the coin is allowed to "float" while being necessarily handled by the glove-wearing grader...

the air pressure settings would have to be different for various denominations for obvious reasons...

"What do you mean you lost my trime because you forgot to reset the air pressure after grading an Ike?"

ClarkOfKent

mr1874,

Maybe an electromagnetic field would be easier to control than air. Then again.... if something does go wrong it could end up like one of those shrunken coins that guy makes with his tesla coils!

Fairlaneman

Is this the Finger Print Thread ?



Worst part about this is the seller said nothing about the Finger Print and the coin is not worth enough to go through all of the Hassle of having it taken care of. Guess I will just keep it for the Finger Print Set.

Ken

DRG

Charlie I will put togother my print set and maybe solve this mystery.

mr1931S

clark,we should say no more about our brilliant ideas so that the coin handlers can wear gloves...

an idea can't be patented..."patent pending" is where it's at for us...

we are brilliant,eh?

ClarkOfKent

mr1874,

Together, I'm sure we could develop the technology to propel a coin through a concrete block wall!
I'll bet a fingerprint couldn't survive that....

mr1931S

lmao

clark,how much would you go on a unique 1880-S DH fingerprinted dollar?

prooflike...

WWBillman

Why is all this junk cluttering up the boards? Why are so many members overloading Mr. Hall with a bunch of petty self serving questions, requests and complaints?

Mr. Hall gave explicate instructions in anothr thread on how to cantact him for problems such as this. If you want something done just do as he suggested. If you just want to bit@h about something and are looking for a place to be heard go to the open forum.

eminem

nuff said!!

mr1931S

>>Why are so many members overloading Mr. Hall with a bunch of petty self serving questions, requests and complaints?

let me guess...interested in what Mr. Hall's answers are to the tough questions,interested in what Mr. Hall might consider in requests so as to make PCGS an even greater company than it is,interested in his considerations of the bonafide complaints so as to better serve his customers in the future...the customers...the ones who made his company great?...

Mr. Hall has the same choices that we all have on these boards.He can choose to participate or he can choose not to participate.Mr. Hall can choose to ignore...In short,Mr. Hall can choose to not be "overloaded," right?

The customer is not always right,WW,but the customer should always be heard no matter how unsettling the message...if you own just one PCGS encapsulated coin you are a PCGS customer...

i think the PCGS capsule is the best...there...a boring,could be construed as self-serving compliment...

MastaHanky

<< Is this the Finger Print Thread ? >>

Well, as long as we're at it...

mr1931S

MastaHanky,the 'S' appears to in one of the proper positions...

WWBillman

mr1874,



<< <i>let me guess...interested in what Mr. Hall's answers are to the tough questions,interested in what Mr. Hall might consider in requests so as to make PCGS an even greater company than it is,interested in his considerations of the bonafide complaints so as to better serve his customers in the future...the customers...the ones who made his company great?... >>



<< <i>The customer is not always right,WW,but the customer should always be heard no matter how unsettling the message...if you own just one PCGS encapsulated coin you are a PCGS customer.. >>



If you read my post closely you will see I said

"Mr. Hall gave explicate instructions in another thread on how to cantact him for problems such as this. If you want something done just do as he suggested. If you just want to bit@h about something and are looking for a place to be heard go to the open forum."

No one it telling anyone they cannot be heard BUT I think starting a thread in the forum is a sad attempt to put Mr. Hall on the spot and it is BS. This is not the place to address him with personal problems they would be much better handled in private. If you do not agree with that then you have not yet grown up. You walk into my store yelling and making a scene trying to draw attention to yourself and put me on the spot I would care less about what your problem is and throw you out on your butt.

Coin Finder

DRG

Nice coin man even with the print!!

MS66 is tough to get.

The print might dip off, might not or might reappear. PCGS will help you and good luck and good eye!!

Tbig

mr1931S

>>This is not the place to address him with personal problems they would be much better handled in private. If you do not agree with that then you have not yet grown up.

what personal problems?...i would never share my personal problems on a public forum such as this...

Are you of the opinion that discussion of fingerprints on coins should be forbidden in this place?

WWBillman

mr1874,

Read the title of the thread....


<< <i>Finger print for David Hall >>


Quit double talking. This thread was started for one purpose and it was all self serving.

fcloud

I feel the need to continue this type of thread. PCGS handles many coins and some specimans have a higher value the the entire amount of money I will earn in my lifetime. I think it is fair to ask that a coin be protected from fingerprints! Now, I feel that it is very important for PCGS or any other grading service to use gloves. We have all see a finger print here or there. We have also seen high grade coins in which the obverse and reverse start to turn colors in the holder from the coin being held correctly by the edge. I know the story, I was the one who asked the question of Rick (no longer with PCGS) on the Q&A Forum, and the responce was the graders have better control over the coin with bare hands. Oh, and by the way NCG doesn't use gloves either. I saw a television program on collecting and they showed a group of NCG graders grading a coin--with bare hands.

Now many coins graded today look great, but will the oils from a persons skin infect a coin over time and have the rim turn and them the obverse and reverse turn.

I would like to suggest the graders find a method in which is a comprimise... cloth bandages or finger cotts should give the coin protection while allowing the graders control.

Maybe we are going too far if we make it personal, but we should be allowed to share knowledge in which may have the potential to prevent fingerprints in the first place.

Tony

mr1931S

WW,i have never seen a public forum thread stay entirely on topic...never...ever...

self-serving OP?...naw

i learned something that,incredibly,i didn't know by my participating in this thread...

They don't use gloves at PCGS because gloves don't allow a firm hold of the coin while it's being handled...

i assumed gloves are used...i was shown to be mistaken after i publicly put forth my hasty assumption...

kind of grown-up of me to publicly admit that i was mistaken,WW?

MAULUMALL

mr1874
I hope you continue to post as you please.

>Why are so many members overloading Mr. Hall with a bunch of petty self serving questions, requests and complaints?

My question is, Why aren't more.
This board is for all to use and learn from.

Coinguy was correct in requesting civility from other members.
If by chance you should run into a thread that you feel is not up to your standards, I suggest you take the David Hall approach and ignore it.

DRG

I did not post this to yell at David Hall.

I took his glowing response to the question about finger prints as a real desire to address the problem if it existed. As I have at least 2 recent examples, and a few more if I go looking, I thought I would bring it up as a topic and show some evidence.

If that is self serving.... I don't know what to say. I thouhgt this forum was to talk about coins and that would include the development of prints at the grading service.

Again, My read on Mr. Hall's coment was that he wanted to see evidence of the problem. I by no means was trying to insult him or berate him. I was thrilled that he was actually threatening to do bodily injury to anyone that had left prints on coins. (Although I am sure,and hope, that he meant this figuritively only).

IrishMike

DRG, it would only be self-serving if you were the only one to experience this problem, obviously to most of us this is not the case. The people on here who have had the problem before have posted. I hope you take the next step to call them and return the coin for their review. Trust me none of my clients hesitate to call me if they have a quality service question. I encourage you to do that and keep us posted as to the results. My guess is that something positive will come of this if every one who has had the problem takes DH up on his promises. The people who are constantly whining when someone posts a bad experience that they have had with PCGS will be able to take heart if they correct the problem.

MAULUMALL

DRG said,
Again, My read on Mr. Hall's coment was that he wanted to see evidence of the problem. I by no means was trying to insult him or berate him. I was thrilled that he was actually threatening to do bodily injury to anyone that had left prints on coins. (Although I am sure,and hope, that he meant this figuritively only).


I personaly(speaking for myself only) would like to thank you for the post.
The question of fingerprints has been brought up on many occasions and it seems that there has never been a satisfactory answer.
Even in the Q&A forum.
Now at least there seems to be some recognition of the problem and attention is being paid.

If you're wrong,YOU'RE WRONG.
If you're Right,YOU'RE RIGHT,PERIOD