Do you like this Top Pop barber dime?

stman

My intentions are good here. If this helps one new or old person in the hobby think about the hype of pop reports and to buy the coin and not the numbers then my point is made.

Unless of coarse you like this coin. I will refrain from how I feel about it but I think starting this thread says my feelings.

Any thoughts on this one?

Top Pop barber dime

Bear

Stman - How come whenever I read POP TOP, all I can think

about is a POP TART. Do you think that this is happening because

I am a bear?

BNE

Well, it ain't the most gorgeous pup in the kennel, but the contrast is truly striking. It's the best in DCAM for that year, but there are probably nicer ones in CAM and brilliant. For those that value contrast above all else, I imagine it would be sought after (but evidently not at that price). I don't see it as an indictment of the pop reports, as such.

As George Harrison sang: "It's all up to what you value. . . ."

Edited to add: Bear: I always think of opening a beer back in the old days. Shows you where MY head is at.

FC57Coins

hmmm - great coin - wonder why they ended the bidding - someone must've nabbed it!

Frank

stman

Bear, yes I agree you are probably thinking pop tarts and probably the jelly ones because you are a bear.
Now here I was serious on this thread. 10,000 comics out of work and you are trying to be funny.

Stman

lordmarcovan

When I hear the words "pop top", I think of one of the old-style pulltabs, like this:



(As mentioned in Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville song):

<< <i>I blew out my flip-flop
Stepped on a pop-top
Cut my heel had to cruise on back home >>



I suppose Top-Pop mighta been better.

And yes, I like the coin. Dunno about the price, but it's a pretty coin. I know, I know- a lot of those are not totally "original" and have been cleaned, but that doesn't always bother me.

In any event, I don't have the pop reports and pay very little attention to them except as mildly interesting reading. (My attitude on pop reports is very similar to my attitude on my daily horoscope.)

Bear

I wasnt being funny, I was being hungry!!!!!

lordmarcovan

Here ya go, Bear. Sorry it's just an unfrosted strawberry one. I can look for another if you prefer.

LanLord

<< <i>When I hear the words "pop top", I think of one of the old-style pulltabs, like this: (As mentioned in Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville song):

<< <i>I blew out my flip-flop Stepped on a pop-top Cut my heel had to cruise on back home >>

I suppose Top-Pop mighta been better. And yes, I like the coin. Dunno about the price, but it's a pretty coin. I know, I know- a lot of those are not totally "original" and have been cleaned, but that doesn't always bother me. In any event, I don't have the pop reports and pay very little attention to them except as mildly interesting reading. (My attitude on pop reports is very similar to my attitude on my daily horoscope.) >>

LM I was thinking that same kind of thing. That goes a way back.

lordmarcovan

I like J.B. but never was a huge Parrothead, myself. You learn to go with the flow. Buffet is VERY big here.

(Now that song is stuck in my head!)

Sorry, stman, for totally derailing your thread. But I did reply about the coin in between all the drivel.

Bear

Thanks LM, that tasted really good jkust the way it was. Yummmy!!!!!

oldcameoproofsguy

That coin does have some really serious contrast. I can't afford the halves and my eyes just can't focus on dimes. Therefore, I collect quarters. I'm sure that the color is far lighter than what is on the scan. There is a small carbon spot on the bonnet and some white marks on the field. To me they could be a little distracting. PCGS seems to grade mostly by technical aspects more so than eye appeal on these. Not to say that this coin doesn't have really nice eye appeal.

This coin will probably not remain a pop top forever either. I would be surprized if a couple more aren't graded as nice or nicer in the future.

clackamas

<<Do you like this Top Pop barber dime?

Yes.

vega1

Actually I like it. Of course I'm partial to Barber coins

stman

Well, I'm not going to win any popularity contest for my feelings on this coin but here is my opinion on it. First I want to say I'm not knocking this coin just because I like original looking coins. I still like the look of a nice coin white, toned colorful etc.

First I would hope the marks on obv right field are only on the holder. The spots on liberty's cap, and neck are very distracting for me. The fields behind liberty are all splotchy looking and other places like a very bad dip job. Rev hairlines inside of wreath and at the bottom of wreath looks like when it was toned it etched into the proof surface and dipped off and that's the results of it. Also the frosting looks like it was painted on by someone drunk.

The reason I posted this again was not to stir anybody up or to infer I knew more than some people. It was to maybe help someone that might just love the coin due to the pop reports.

But hey, if people like it more power to them and I respect that.

For me I think it is a very hideous example for a pop top barber and I love barber coinage.

Stman

BobbyD

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
BOBBYD

clackamas

stman, your question was: "do you like this coin?". What is not to like about any DCAM barber? It does not matter for the question at hand if it was a top pop or a bottom pop. Its not perfect, but a nice coin. I like it and would love to own it. I am sure you would not be upset if you owned the coin as well. the question I think ou are trying to get at is if its ovegraded or not. To that I can not comment since I don't know proof and/or barbers very well. Still when you think about it in the grand sceme of things its not that expensive considering what a top pop state quarter can go for and this one is over 100 years old to boot.

stman

Clackamas, You make some good points although my intent was not to just say it's overgraded. My intent was as I stated that if it makes someone stop and think and really look at the coin for it's own merits, rather than just buy something for the hype that it's a pop top or top pop whatever it's called.

But no I would not care to own this coin, as you mentioned that I might. Thanks for your input.

Stman

goyankeez

I think it is a good looking coin. It does have the problems that were already mentioned, particularly the spot on the cap. But, the contrast is amazing. Overall, I like it.

Dog97

If it were a Proof 62 I wouldn't complain about the spots, neither the white area on rev or the black spots on obv or the 3 hugh marks in the field right in front of Liberty's nose there in the prime area and I would ohhhh & ahhh over how it was a PQ 62 but a Proof 66 @ $2,800 needs to look like a 66.
Maybe I'm being too critical. I would love it as a 63. So what if the # on the holder is the greatest? The coin isn't.

kryptonitecomics

I like the coin, don't care about the pop, and have to agree with Dog with regards to it needing to look like a 66.

stman

<< <i>I I would ohhhh & ahhh over how it was a PQ 62 but a Proof 66 @ $2,800 needs to look like a 66.
Maybe I'm being too critical. I would love it as a 63. So what if the # on the holder is the greatest? The coin isn't. >>



Ah ha, well put dog97, My point is made!!!!

Stman

Dog97

So in desperation the owner sends it to Teletrade hoping for a successful sale...............
Looks a lot better in the Teletrade pictures: Teletrade

lordmarcovan

Hmm. I thought it looked better in the first set of pics. Still looks nice in the Teletrade pictures, though.

stman

Wonder why it's at Teletrade now. I was thinking the marks obv right field were on the holder in ebay auction. Now this image looks like they are on the coin. And still all the dip residue showing up.

But see this auction doesn't bother me because it's not promoting POP 1 and all that for a coin in my opinion is ruined.

Stman

Loki

Interestingly enough, I just purchased this 1863 Seated Liberty Half Dime graded NGC PR66 Cameo from a special that Heritage had going. I have yet to receive the piece so I can't comment on the actual look vs the pics, but the price was right, imo, and I wanted a nice looking half dime. Plus Heritage looks to be a reputable company with a good refund privilege just in case.

lordmarcovan

Nice 'un, Loki. I'm sure you'll be pleased.

coinguy1

stman,

I believe that the population report figures for the cameo and deep/ultra cameo designations for Seated and Barber coinage are deceivingly low.

NGC and PCGS went many years without using those designations and there are LOTS and LOTS of coins out there that are cameo or deep/ultra cameo, which people have not bothered to send it for those desigantions. Many 20th century silver proof issues/coins are actually more common with cameo contrast than without it.

When NGC and PCGS first started using the cameo and deep/ultra cameo designations, we were buying the deep/ultra cameos for roughly double (or a 100% premium over) what we would pay for a non cameo. Now, the premium is down to roughly 50% for many pieces. And, many cameos bring little, if any premium because smart buyers realize that "cameo" is the norm for many of those issues.

It is very important to be aware of which issues are typically found with cameo contrast and which are not and to pay the premiums only for those which rightfully deserve it, based on their true rarity in that condition.

stman

Coinguy1, Yes I'm very aware the grading services have not been doing cam and dcam for all that long on pre 1950 proofs.

Thanks, Stman

coinguy1

stman,

I figured you were aware of that. I addressed my remarks to you, only because you started the thread

Dog97

The pops will have a big increase in Cams & DCams in the next few years and you will find out that you overpaid so I advise collectors to stay away from them since me, stman, & oldcameoproofsguy are willing to do our numismatic duty and get them off the market & protect your pocketbook.

stman

I second that motion, I will do what I can to take as many as my wallet will let me off the market. But I will take the original surface ones only. So there will be plenty left over.

Stman