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Rim toned vs. rim color -OR- new credo: "Buy The Coin, Not The Color Commentary."

RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
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Isn't there a difference between rim toning and rim color?
I've seen a lot of coins being advertised lately, as having rim color, when actually the rims show only shades of grey, and maybe some browns (a color, I guess), but are not exciting. Real rim toning with rainbow-type colors are "where it's at". IMHO.

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    RegistryCoin - there is no difference between "color" and "toning" as described in your question. "Color" need not be attractive and "toning" need not be ugly. They should mean the same thing in coin descriptions.

  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps, I state the question wrong? Is there really no difference?
    I probably should have asked "SHOULD there be a difference?"
    When a color rim vs. a grey/brown rim is presented, does one advertise the difference?
    Is it appreciated differently? Does the price reflect this difference?
  • DAMDAM Posts: 2,410 ✭✭
    When I see a coin ad with the words "rim toning" or "rim color", I interpret it as Mark explained. I then decide whether I like the toning/color or not.

    I would equate it to a weather forecast that describes the outlook as "partly cloudy" or "mostly sunny". To me they're the same. image
    Dan
  • prooflikeprooflike Posts: 3,879 ✭✭
    What I see being abused a lot is "rainbow", used with a coin that is blotchy gray and brown or something.
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  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    I see what you guys are saying. Thanks for the comments. I especially like the "weather" reference. It proves Mark's comment.
    "Buy the coin, not the color". image
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    It sounds like you've been looking at fairtradzer's auctions on eBay. All their "colors" seem to be grey or brown or the ever popular 'white' color.

    I think it is misleading to write color and have it be grey or brown. That is not the color people are expecting when they see the word color written. Blue, red, green, and orange are colors.
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    Exactly! I haven't noticed a specific seller using the word "color" to describe shades, but I totally agree with you. Thanks, Greg.
  • TypetoneTypetone Posts: 1,621 ✭✭
    I think if I see the words colored or toned rims, I assume bad or not attractive. To describe an attractive toning I look for words like rainbow or attractively toned. However, in that case I want to see a scan to be sure it is as described, and also want a good return policy.

    Greg
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    My favorite is the use of the word rainbow when describing a coin with blue and yellow at the rims.

    A rainbow covers the spectrum, ROYGBIV, and I expect more than one or two colors.
    Keith ™

  • HuliganRSHuliganRS Posts: 345 ✭
    Ahhh... Fairtraders
    B.S. description, outrageous shipping charges!

    An asset to eBay!
    ">My PCGS Franklin Registry Set
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Rusty,

    Like any other seller, you have to search to find the jewels. I picked up a stunning Large Cent from him a while back, and have gotten some good Type coins in the past.
    Keith ™

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Colors" should only be neon greens/ reds/ blues and bright purple.
    If it's brown and/or gray or even that off shade of gold it isn't 'color' to me.

    peacockcoins

  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Braddick, your prefered definition for colors - "Colors should only be neon greens/ reds/ blues and bright purple. If it's brown and/or gray or even that off shade of gold it isn't 'color' to me." sounds more like a definition for "pretty colors". Color need not be pretty, though I certainly prefer that it be so!

    It sounds to me like you might be reacting (and I don't blame you one bit if you are) to the improper/over use of the word "rainbow" by some sellers, who also use the word "colors" in their lisiting headlines, to get buyers' attention. "Just say no" to unattractive "colors".
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mark, you called it and you're right. Upon closer examination, it is the term "rainbow" I dislike strongly when the coin featured has a small crecent of tan (for example).
    When I read or see "colors" though I am also, probably wrongly so, disapointed at the dull and lifeless coins sometimes offered following.

    Now "toned"- if left without an additional descriptor, seems to be more appropriate.

    peacockcoins

  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Which ?

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    I'm Confused.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    braddick,

    I'm with you all the way on the "rainbow" overkill. It's gotten so bad, that I often hesitate to use the term for descriptions of our coins on our website, even if I think it's accurate!
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Ken,

    Nice Merc. I like it a lot, for a fishing lure. image
    Keith ™

  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Keith:

    Big grade for a Big Fish on this one.

    Anyway I responded to this thread because the terms used for Color are getting way out of line IMO. Very few of the coins seen lately with all of the color hype warrant the descriptions laid out by the sellers. A couple of prominate sellers come to mind. One little blotch of color and they call them Mega Monsters. Hmmm....all Show and No Go to me.

    Ken
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Ken, sometimes I think that the work "rainbow" and "rare" are interchangably the most over-hyped phrases in the coin market.
    Keith ™

  • GQGQ Posts: 360
    The word Rainbow in coin collecting is just that......all the nice colors of the rainbow.
    NICKEL TRIUMPH...
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭

    Ken, sometimes I think that the work "rainbow" and "rare" are interchangably the most over-hyped phrases in the coin market.

    I'd have voted for "registry" as the most over hyped coin related word. image
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    ROTFLMAO
    Keith ™

  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the replies guys. Greg: I assume you don't want me to go back to the Iron Chef... image
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RegistryCoin:

    Please, Not the Iron Chef again. Stay with the Hype.

    image

    I'd have voted for"registry"as the most over hyped coin related word.

    Here's a First. I agree.

    Rainbow and Rare do have thier place in descriptions for some coins but I have not figured out exactly what a Registry Coin is at all.

    Registry Coin, as it is usually phrased, could be anything depending on who is looking to purchase the Item. I suppose the 90% or more of collectors that do not particapate in the Registries always pay more for a coin just because it says "Registry Quality" beside it. I doubt it though and personally think they could care less. Probably they do get PO'ed about the price going higher because of some people bidding the coin up because they lack Coin related education and Fall for the Hype.

    Ken
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    The "Registry" hype, like the "color coin" hype, is an interesting one to follow. As most of you know, I "coined" the name: "RegistryCoin" way back when, I think in early '99, several months after the pcgs registry was announced, as I saw a future for the term. It has been fun, hasn't it? image
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the year 2000, a well-respected Registry collector (and forum member) quit his registry set in large part because PCGS changed its mind and decided to not produce soft-cover Registry books (showing the rankings of the sets), presumably for budgetary reasons.

    "WHAT A LONG, STRANGE TRIP IT'S BEEN"

    Wondercoin.
    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    What a long strange trip...
    How true! No matter the commentary, the world-wide net surely has brought together a diverse and extremely interesting and dynamic group of people. You couldn't ask to create a better community, IMHO!
    ps. Whenever necessary, I think of our group with regards to their charitable efforts surrounding 9-11-01. This thought of y'all will forever swell my heart with pride.
  • TypetoneTypetone Posts: 1,621 ✭✭
    Back to Fairlaneman's Mercury. I vote rainbow!

    My vote for the most overused word "PQ". It is clearly impossible for all so described to actually be.

    Greg S.
  • DAMDAM Posts: 2,410 ✭✭
    I would add the word "shot" to the list. I was looking at a site today that beat it into the ground.

    How many times do you see an ad selling a coin graded MS65 (for example) with the description "shot 66" in it. In my opinion, depending on the coins value in MS66, it would have already been sent in, trying for the 66 grade, and perhaps it has.

    I think "shot" goes hand-in-hand with Greg's choice "PQ". Very interchangeable. So you don't get used to, and burnt out on, one term.

    Dan
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