accented hair kennedy?

mids1999

Is this an accented hair proof kennedy?
And is there anything special about the I?
Front
the I

Placid

Link to some pics.

Link

JR

I say it is not an Accented Hair Kennedy. The best way I've found to tell is to look for the "wishbone" shape in the hair just above the ear. It took me a few times to learn the look of the hair on the AH Kennedy halves, but once you know what to look for, the AH's are easy to spot that way. I've not had as good luck just going by the letter I.

mids1999

Too bad its in a NTC holder its listed as a PF 68.
I posted the I to find out if the I is (Truncated serif on "I" in libery) type.

goyankeez

The "I" you posted appears to be the "I" in "UNITED" and not the "I" in "LIBERTY".

BTW, that's a great detailed image.

mids1999

oh sorry? I am new to coins.

JR

<< <i>The "I" you posted appears to be the "I" in "UNITED" and not the "I" in "LIBERTY". >>



I'm sorry that I didn't notice that the first time around. It is true that on the AH Kennedy halves that you should look for the truncated "I" in the word "Liberty" on the obverse of the coin, not the letter "I" in the word "United" on the reverse of the coin. The picture of the "I" posted in the original post is of the "I" in the word "United" from the reverse of the coin.

(edited for clarity and to add):

When our resident '64 Kennedy expert (Russ) sees your post, I'm sure he can help you more.

Placid

Why be sorry? No one is always right.

mids1999

heres the I in liberty
I in liberty

this is an updated image without the shadow.

JR

mids1999,

I can't help you with the "I". I've always had problems identifying AH Kennedy halves by the letter "I", so I don't even bother with it anymore. The angle of your scan/photo and the resulting shadow around the base of the "I" makes it difficult to see if the "I" is truncated.

BTW, the spots that appear to be on the obverse of your coin will, in my opinion, probably keep the coin from a high grade (under PR68) if you were/are planning to resubmit the coin to either PCGS or NGC. JMHO.

richbeat

Doesn't look like AH to me, either.

mids1999

Another picture of the front
front 3

JR

Its definitely not an Accented Hair. Sorry.

BTW, great photos!

DHeath

No.

Gilbert

You've got plenty of correct answers. It is not the AH nor is the I truncated. Another diag for the AH is a non-serif "G" on Gasparro's initials.

Based on the various coins and images you have linked since you joined, you seem to have quite a few nice coins, good numismatic photo skills, lingo usage and know just what coins are of interest AND the diags to look for to be "new to coins"

Russ

Looks like I'm late to the party. As already stated, it's not the AH variety. Another diagnostic to look for are broken rays on the reverse below "UNUM" where they intersect the stars.

Russ, NCNE

mids1999

Gilbert what can I say I am a quick learner and "good equiptment" nikon 995 digicam makes good pictures easy.

richbeat

mids,

Sounds like you're doing fine. Let this board know anytime you need help or have a question.

MICHAELDIXON

This is definitely worth a ttt!

mbbiker

I didn't know what they looked like but now i know what to look for next time i go to a show.

PhillyJoe

Couldn't pass up this thread. While we're on the subject, the A/H seems to have a number of "telltale"
signs. The wishbone hair was designed, but the "I" serif and break in the rays, etc seem to point to a not so careful examination of the dies before production. Would this indicate only one set of dies were used which all have these "defects" or was the problem on the master dies copied on the production dies.

Joe

Gilbert

I believe the AH and its reverse, were essentially a rush job, and not amenable to Jackie, thus the changes that were made. Many of the varieties a merely of the types one might expect from a series run. Many series' first designs were subsequently modified, particularly when the design change wasn't in a long planning stage. I think what you are calling defects are not defects per se, but some of the normal issues that crop up during coin production, and essentially become the diagnostics for differentiating one die from the next., and are sometimes instrumental in identifying the progression of the series.