Now THIS looks like a deal... where do I sign up?
DanC
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So that's how he decided to get his revenge, eh?
Very creative.
I'm having fun with this one...
"Your opinions on this 1825 half, please."
and
"Well, I got screwed on the 1825 half I bought."
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It's at much, much more then I paid.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>Pat, It's at much, much more then I paid.
And I really WANTED that one!
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Russ said he'd get him if he didn't make it right.
Ray
<< <i>Any chance he's out of town for the holiday weekend? >>
Could be, but he would have to have left on Thursday. If so, that's what he gets for heading out right after ripping somebody off. I made it very clear that he had 48 hours to respond. Not my problem.
Russ, NCNE
Very nice Russ
No wonder some states have 5 day "cooling off" periods for buying guns!
I wouldn't try to defend a seller who deliberately rips someone off, but I hope it's not just a simple misunderstanding. Suppose the seller really is out of town and otherwise would have gladly refunded your purchase price plus shipping both ways? Does that still justify the neg and a slanderous auction that may have already been seen by hundreds of eBayers simply because it didn't meet your 48 hour deadline? Maybe. But it's still worth pausing to think about.
<< <i>but I hope it's not just a simple misunderstanding. >>
A misunderstanding would be a dispute about the grade, the shipping costs, method of payment, or some other trivial matter. Deliberate fraud does not qualify as a "misunderstanding."
<< <i>Does that still justify the neg and a slanderous auction >>
There is nothing slanderous about the auction. I simply stated the facts.
This seller knew full well what he was doing when he listed this coin, and deserves no consideration at all. Frankly, I'm surprised that anybody would defend his actions.
Russ, NCNE
I've actually written off bad deals as a learning curve myself. But, they were always just an innacurate grade, or an error by ommission; trivial stuff. For example, I've purchased my share of certified proof Kennedys that had problems the seller seems to have forgotten when the coin was listed.
In all the coins I've purchased, this is only the second negative I've ever given a seller. The first was only after I waited for two months and multiple eMails after I paid, and hadn't received the product.
I'm actually very tolerant and easy to get along with. But, I won't stand for deliberate deception.
Russ, NCNE
you didn't really think you were getting an "original uncleaned" 1825 half dollar for 60 bucks, did you? come on, this is the real world.
sorry, i've got to agree with Dan on this one, it's a holiday weekend and for goodness sakes the auction ended a week ago. sometimes there isn't even an email from a seller/buyer for a week, let alone have the deal completed, a problem pop up, a holiday weekend and oh well never mind.
<< <i>you didn't really think you were getting an "original uncleaned" 1825 half dollar for 60 bucks, did you? >>
I expected to get what this seller listed in the auction. A nicely toned, probably cleaned way back in the past coin. What I got was a recently - harshly - cleaned piece of junk.
<< <i>a problem pop up >>
Perhaps you define fraud as a "problem". I define it as theft.
Russ, NCNE
They might scare him.... that's as good as it gets....
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I'm sorry Russ, but your auction makes assumptions and is indeed slanderous. From your auction:
Immediately upon receipt of this coin, I contacted this (samor14), hoping that he would step up to the plate and do the right thing. He chose to ignore me. Perhaps he was hoping I would just fade away? ...I've found that most sellers are honest, hard working people who would never dream of blatantly misrepresenting an item. In this auction from samor14, I discovered that is not always the case.
How is that not slanderous? You're telling hundreds of eBayers (probably thousands by the time this auction runs its course), that samor14 is not an honest hardworking seller who blatantly misrepresents his items and ignores emails for resolution. (All assumptions because he did not get back to you within 3 days on a holiday weekend.)
Maybe you are right. But maybe you are not. Either way, you could have waited a little longer before taking the actions you took. That is my point.
I'm sure you're going to answer this by saying it's not your responsibility to do so, but did you try to use eBay's Contact A Memeber feature to get samor's phone number? Did you try to contact Safe Harbor? Did you think that if Samor were deliberately out to rip you off, he probably wouldn't have left you positive feedback first? (I have yet to see truly fradulent sellers do this.) Do you think that if samor was using eBay to deliberately rip people off, that his feedback would have been perfect (before your neg)?
Frankly, I'm surprised that anybody would defend his actions.
Where am I defending his actions? I'm defending his chance to respond before getting dragged through the mud in front hundreds of people.
Frankly, I'm surprised so many members, here in our forum, have responded by praising your auction.
<< <i>How is that not slanderous? >>
It's not slanderous, because it's true. You need to look up the definition of slander.
<< <i>You're telling hundreds of eBayers (probably thousands by the time this auction runs its course), >>
Which is the whole point of the auction. If even one of them avoids getting screwed on eBay in the future, then mission accomplished.
<< <i>that samor14 is not an honest hardworking seller >>
He sure as hell is not honest. He deliberately misrepresented an item. That's fraud.
<< <i>who blatantly misrepresents his items and ignores emails for resolution. (All assumptions because he did not get back to you within 3 days on a holiday weekend.) >>
I'm not assuming anything. He DID misrepresent the item. Did you even look at his scans and his description? There's no "mistake" here. The guy is a liar.
<< <i>Did you think that if Samor were deliberately out to rip you off, he probably wouldn't have left you positive feedback first? >>
OF COURSE he would leave one first. What better way to try and head off a negative. It is done all the time. Why do you think so many known shaky sellers have so few negatives? It's how the game is played.
<< <i>Do you think that if samor was using eBay to deliberately rip people off, that his feedback would have been perfect (before your neg)? >>
I don't care if he never ripped anybody off in the past. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he has. Most people just write this type of thing off and don't bother because they don't want to "stir things up."
The fact is that he ripped me off, and he is not going to get away with it.
Russ, NCNE
Would you still feel the same if you received the following email on Monday morning?
Russ,
I'm sorry that I could not respond to you sooner, I have been away for the Labor Day weekend. I am also sorry that you were not happy with the coin that you purchased from me. The scans in my auctioned were altered because I felt that it was more important to show the detail on the coin, than to show the reflectiveness. I am not a coin dealer by trade, and I was going by what I have heard from others. Additionally, I know the coin has never been cleaned as long as it was in my possession, but I don't have the expertise to tell if it had been done in the past. Please excuse my inexperience and return the coin. I will immediately reimburse you for the full amount plus the return shipping. Sincerely, samor
Of course, by now, the neg has been left, your "auction" has been seen by hundreds, the cow is out of the barn and never coming back, etc. Is my hypothetical response too far out of the realm of possibility, to admit that cooler heads should have prevailed for a while longer?
That eMail wouldn't change a thing, because it would be just another lie. Besides, it's now clear that he's in town and simply ignored me.
Russ, NCNE
Hmm...
Be weary of Russ
Yeah, funny how he doesn't respond to eMail, but as soon as a neg is posted he's all over it with a response.
Russ, NCNE
but by now you have proven to be on a crusade to take him down and you wonder why no response to your email?
just a bit of unsolicited advice from a "snake lawyer" here, but if you really want to take care of a problem you will give someone the slightest benefit of the doubt. 48 hours then an all out assault is not the way to solve problems.
by the way i find his response to your negative, taken in the context of the initial auction, just a tad more honest than your follow up, (wherein you imply, for when the auction details are no longer accessible of course, that he sent you a raw coin when a slabbed one was promised, which we all know was not the case).
<< <i>by the way i find his response to your negative, taken in the context of the initial auction, just a tad more honest than your follow up >>
You have got to be kidding! His reply was a deliberate - and very transparent - attempt to make it seem that he sent an ANACS slabbed coin.
Russ, NCNE
Didn't we already complete that transaction? Looking at our feedback, it seems so.
Russ, NCNE
p.s. you're right, neither of your responses will truly tell the story once the auction is no longer accessible.
Actually, the complete auction listing will be accessible long after it is gone from eBay's system. At any time, anyone who wants to see it will be able to do so.
Russ, NCNE