Whats wrong with me, I must be glutton for punishment

mnmcoin

In light of my recent massacre at PCGS, I planned to test the waters a little instead of throwing a hundred coins at them. I set out to send about ten coins under the 15 days service and about ten coins under the economy service...did this work...nope! I couldn't decide which ones to send in so I just sent them about 200. Yeah, go figure from 20 to 200. I must be stupid. Oh, well I guess you can call me an adrenaline junky, I just can't stand not having coins in for grading, and at PCGS nonetheless, maybe I am a massacist in hiding. I have been hoarding some terrific proof and mint state coins over the last year because I had made up my mind to wait out the conservative time at PCGS, but they kept getting tighter and tighter (not really, probably just the same) so I just sent in some great coins (I am talking MS Lincolns that are legitimate shot 68, with gorgeous surfaces and rainbow crescent tone...watch they'll grade them 66RB and break my heart...I even sent in a 1932 S Washington that I bought just a little bit ago, with attrative toning that is shot 65)...stuff I have been saving for a while) and we'll see how it goes. Cross your fingers.

Anybody else deal with this...I mean I think I am addicted to submitting coins and getting the results...is this bad? I mean I just sent the package registered today and I am already checking today to see if they got it...yeah, I guess that does sound pretty bad. How do you guys deal with it...should we form SA...Submitters Anonymous! Yeah, I have made some great coins, but more often then not, I always check my grades on friday and they basically ruin my weekend...anybody else have that happen...I mean my wife just won't let me check anymore on Fridays, because it puts me in such a tailspin.

Any suggestions? Any other people in the same boat? I guess there is comfort in numbers.

morris <><

Cam40

Well,my advice to you would be,stay away from the casinos.

cointagious

sorry, guy. there's no hope for you.

Gerry

Morris:

From what I hear from other dealers, you have lots of company - they just don't want to admit it publicly. You need to study the history of the Brooklyn Dodgers of the 1950s. Their motto was "wait til next year!" And guess what? They finally won one.

Incidentally, several low pop Lincolns got graded at the ANA last week, including a 1935 in ms68. So, don't give up hope. And, if you get a 68 Lincoln, please PM me.

Gerry

fletch2645

I thought I was the only one getting killed at PCGS, and yes I have the disease too. Recently sent in 33 1993, 1994, and 1995 SE's. Been checking every day for results. I finally got them-- Got 2 MS69's out of the bunch and the rest 68's. These guys are not the same as a year ago--they are getting tougher. I examined these coins with a stereo microscope and they were perfect. A year ago, over half would have come back MS69. I haven't changed my standards, they have changed theirs. Also, they refused to cross an ICG MS62 Morgan-even at MS60. The coin should have easily graded MS63!!!! No explanation or anything. They just took my $30 and sent the coin back to me. They did cross one ANACS AU58 Morgan as EF45--What a crock!!!

If you get burned enough times, you will be cured of this disease. In my case, I'm taking my grading dollars to NGC.

MadMarty

I still don't know, I sent in a bunch of business strike halves, this is the first time sending in MS Moderns (I thought I might have a chance at the 67). But they came back:
6 30015525 1968-D 50C MS66
6 30015526 1968-D 50C MS66
6 30015527 1968-D 50C MS64
6 30015528 1968-D 50C MS66
6 30015529 1968-D 50C MS66
6 30015530 1968-D 50C MS66
6 30015531 1968-D 50C MS66
Now don't get me wrong, I happy with the MS66s (Don't know what happened to the MS64:confused. But I really thought a couple might have a shot at a 67...

1jester

I'm addicted to the Boards!

MadMarty

<< <i>I'm addicted to the Boards! >>



Also E-bay, sex, beer and coins!!!!

Gerry

Marty - in that order?

Placid

I have the problem where every time I get out the form to submit coins I write them up and figure out the cost then I think about a coin I could buy instead and never send them in.

BlueCole

Do you get a better deal when you send in a boatlaod of coins? I sent one in to ANACS, and it was like 23.50, which was what i paid for the coin. (i was sending it in to get it certified as a filled die) How do you get a better deal?

B.

66Tbird

Placid nailed it from my point of view. Although I am going to get my gold type set slabbed just for preservation reasons and if they need to be sold in the far future. Then there's a barber half I may take a shot at if events fall in my favor

STOCKFORD

Hey I am right with you Morris. You know me with all the nickels I have sent in, but have sent in many lincolns and they are tough on grading them. But I have had good sucess on crackouts of pcgs coins sending them in raw of course.
I too like to have coins being graded,but you get many disappointments,but the feeling you get from one high grade is worth it like your
1953 proof nickel [ YHEA BABY YHEA]

RLinn

Have you asked yourself the 12 crucial "Submitters Anonymous" questions?

1. Have you ever decided to stop submitting for a week or so, but only lasted for a couple of days?

2. Do you wish people would mind their own business about your submitting -- stop telling you what to do?

3. Have you ever switched from one grading service to another in the hope that this would keep you from getting "body bagged?"

4. Have you had to view a "Pop Top" upon awakening during the last year?

5. Do you envy people who can crossover without getting downgraded?

6. Have you ever had problems with excessive submitting during the last year?

7. Has your submitting caused trouble at home or on this forum?

8. Do you ever get "extra" on-site submissions at shows because you worry you may miss an opportunity?

9. Do you tell yourself you can stop submitting anytime you want to, even though you keep getting certified mailing materials when you don't mean to?

10. Have you missed days of work or school because of submitting?

11. Do you have "crackouts?"

12. Have you ever felt your life would be better if you did not submit?

What's you score? Did you answer "YES" four or more times?

If so, you are probably in trouble with "Slabbing."

Bear

MNM - You sir are suffering from a serious medical condition called Osteo Cranial Slabisitis, which in layperson terms means you are a bone head addicted to slabbing coins. Remember 90% of all collectors suffer from such a demonic disease , while the remaining 10% are in total denial. Bear

perfectstrike

Hi Morris,

I test the waters with small submissions to see what will happen. Check order # 339448. Lincoln submissions.

PCGS grading is really tight lately, so I'm submitting more and more copper to NGC. I don't mind tough grading, as long as it's consistent. I may keep submitting to PCGS, but it'll be things PCGS doesn't make huge mistakes with. NGC get everything else.

perfectstrike

clackamas

Has anyone cracked out a PCGS lincoln and sent it to NGC or ANACS? I just sent in a bunch of coins for the first time in months. I was able to curb my addiction for a few moths to teach PCGS a lesson. Well I go tht first results back and they have not learned or they were teaching me a lesson.

1 30013309 2002-P SAC $1 MS66
2 30013310 2002-D SAC $1 MS66
2 30013311 2002-P SAC $1 MS65
2 30013312 2002-P SAC $1 MS64
3 30013313 1972-S 1C MS64RD
3 30013314 1972-S 1C MS64RD
3 30013315 1972-S 1C MS65RD
4 30013316 1973-S 1C MS65RD
5 30013317 1975-D 1C MS65RD
5 30013318 1975-D 1C MS65RD


I use to be dead on with my grading but it has slipped a full point. My only suggestion is that I grade in full sunlight with a 10X loupe and tighten up. Serioulsy I can look at these coins and rationalize why it got the grade but only after looking at the coin in conditions that your not supposed to look at them in and certaily that PCGS does not look at them in.

mnmcoin

Cam40, that is funny, I am going to Vegas this week for a show. I actually don't have a problem with gambling, my Dad taught me real well how not to be.

Thanks everyone, you guys are making me fell better already. I guess it is just so frustrating, because I think I am in a little different boat than most everyone else. I mean that because I have basically learned to grade through PCGS, what i mean is that for the few years that I have been dealing intensly with the grading of coins (previously to this I just dealt in sets mostly, with no grading neccessary) I have taught myself to grade basically on PCGS standards...that is submit different coins and learn, then submit more coins and learn, then submit more coins and learn...etc (oh by the way, according to my taxes I spent over $40,000 last year with PCGS) I got to the point where I was pretty damn accurate. Lets say I would send in ten coins...most of the time I would get at least nine right...that went on for a year, now the last two or three months, wammo...I might get 1 or 2 out of 10...that just don't make sense.
Everyone keeps saying switch, my dad has been telling me this quite a bit, when I moan and groan. The problem is with 60-70 percent of the coins I submit they are worthless in NGC holders. I mean look at what NGC MS67RD Lincolns are going for...pretty much what PCGS 66rds are going for. Although I have decided that if this last submission doesn't go as planned I will be submitting alot of proof coins to NGC rather than PCGS, I might not do as well and may not make a super coin, but I will probably do okay. Alot of dealers I deal with have been doing this, and they have been doing alright.

RLinn-by the way I answered Yes twelve times...what does that mean?

thanks everyone for your comments

morris <><

kranky

RLinn, good stuff!

MadMarty

Solution to the problem, take the graders down to TJ, feed them tequila and get them laid!!!

BNE

Marty, that seems to be your solution to everything!







. . . . Um, where is this TJ's, anyway?

mnmcoin

TJ is Tijuana, in Baja California, and I am not sure the graders will grade any better with herpes.

morris <><