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My 1908 Canadian newp. To slab or not to slab.
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Quick cell phone images. Will try to take better ones later. Mintage of 1000
Here's what the toning is like on the coins. Again, quick shots but you can get the idea.
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Don
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Nice! I'll see you maybe on the 24th.
Nice. Congrats!
Phil Arnold
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Beautiful set!
Justin Meunier
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Where did you find it ? , if you care to let us know. Never seen one other in than in Charlton.
Nice pick up Don!
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Very nice!
I got it from a dealer friend who said the person who once owned the set also owned a 1911 silver dollar.
Here's how the sale came about. I texted my dealer friend to tell him I bought a Canadian 1908 SP25c. He then told me a 1908 Specimen Set just came into the shop on consignment which he was going to put up on eBay. I told him I was Interested, so we made a deal.
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Fantastic set. I did have one years ago and regret selling it years ago.
1911 dollar??? if it is real, then we know who owned it.....right?
H
NICE!!
Now the question is to get slabbed? or keep raw.
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I Would get them slabbed just to prove that they are original for the set.
I believe that original coins had a matte finish.
This would also help protect them from damage.
I'd have them slabbed by PCGS but be 100% sure they either acknowledge or return that original holder.
No way am I sending the case to PCGS. I'll never get it back.
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No way am I sending the case to PCGS.
I don’t blame you, the case itself is worth over $300.00.
Be sure to show us the results when you get them back.
I'm going to go in the 'keep as is' camp.
The case is part of the history and provenance of the set - I believe Canada did a commemorative set ca. 2008 replicating the original coins.
Post more pictures- At the moment I am more inclined to agree with GotTheBug.
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They've been fine in the case. They go with the case. What would anyone do with five slabbed coins and an empty case? Leave them in the case.
I'll try tomorrow but my imaging skills are less than my computer skills.
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It is hard to tell from the photo but they look cleaned/dipped. I find it hard to believe that silver coins like that, kept in that case for 116 years, would not show significant toning.
The coins are deeply toned. I'll try to get better images.
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Images showing toning in first post.
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Though I’m a slabber, and there would certainly be some benefits to having them slabbed, I kind of lean this way as well.
I'm worried a TPG may BB them because of the dark toning.
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Don
Plus side: you could get TrueView or Photovision images. Minus side: the possibility you mentioned, plus the “what to do with a bunch of slabs and an empty case” dilemma John Conduitt brought up. I’d leave these raw, in the original box, I reckon.
Leave them as is in the mint issue container. Store them with lots of desicant.
The toning is not attractive at all. I'm not sure how a TPG would react to such toning. You are probably best advised to just leave them in the original case.
PCGS is also notoriously hard on the 1908 matte specimen one cent coins. My ICCS SP-67 Red cent, perhaps the finest known, crossed at SP-64 Red at PCGS.
The weird toning on all five denominations I believe is caused by the velvet in the case.
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Agreed on the toning and in not slabbing. A somewhat similar set, the GB 1902 matte (inn all its iterations) coins have been savaged by the graders in many cases.
Well, just Love coins, period.
leave it as is. Perhaps high quality images on the side.
The market is for the set.
However, it might help to have it graded so you know "an official" grade. then break these out and return to the box
I had mine graded and seriously, had regrets later... but sold it anyway.
H
Very nice set. I would keep them in the original box if that's my coins.
I would not send them in for grading, but would not leave them in the holder either as they would probably just get darker over time. Put them in non PVC flips and keep them with the holder.
I didn't get back to leaving a further comment- Sort of wondering if an image of the case could be sent instead of the case if you chose to have them graded. I would try and check some auction archives to see what other SP 1908 graded coins look like and how yours might measure up. I do think I would place these in in airtites if I did not submit.
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He could always keep & sell the set of 5 slabs plus the case together. It’s not like they will be separated.
It’s hard to see what’s on the cent, but perhaps it could be conserved before grading?