GOETZ: K-188 "America's Peace Objectives" 1917

cacheman · October 10, 2007 4:43PM

K-188 AMERICA’S PEACE OBJECTIVES (Amerikas Friedensziele), 1917, Cast Bronze, 57.6mm, 66.76g., VZ.

Obverse: Uncle Sam riding the bow of an armed sailing vessel. In border, "Friedensziele" (Objects of peace).

Reverse: Englishman, shipwrecked, trying to catch a life-buoy marked, "Amerika". In border, "3. Februar 1917".

bosox · October 10, 2007 4:47PM

Very interesting and nice medal, Scott. How's the book coming?

cacheman · October 10, 2007 4:57PM

"How's the book coming?"

Not even started....at least not in book form. I am still working on the digital version in the form of a new web site. I'm into this project a year already and have the developers just now starting the site functionality coding. The site should contain about 600 pages to start with....it's very daunting.

bosox · October 10, 2007 5:23PM

I look forward to visiting the site.

theboz11 · October 10, 2007 6:25PM

TwoKopeiki · October 10, 2007 9:58PM

Love your medals and definitely looking forward to your site

Stork · October 10, 2007 10:20PM

What an awesome (in both senses of the word) tasking!

Cathy

Teg · October 11, 2007 12:04AM

More interesting stuff. Thanks.

Uncle Sam seems to be turning a rudder rather than riding the bow?
Also the 'Englishman' seems to have a more US style cap.
Given the date and the history could it be an American?

Fascinating

Teg

cacheman · October 11, 2007 12:45AM

<< <i>More interesting stuff. Thanks.

Uncle Sam seems to be turning a rudder rather than riding the bow?
Also the 'Englishman' seems to have a more US style cap.
Given the date and the history could it be an American?

Fascinating

Teg >>

This is exactly why I want a web page in order to draw feedback about these medals and build correct interpretations. Yes, Uncle Sam IS steering the ship around to pick up President Wilson, portrayed as a soldier, who is overboard and in the water.

This goes to show that I can't just take a description from Kienast or Frankenhuis and plug them in with the medal. Both 'researchers' got their descriptions wrong on this one.

Thanks Teg...Good Eye!!!

oldshep · October 11, 2007 1:57AM

Scott - A beauty!! Thanks for "Goetzing" us once again. I really like the relief on that obverse.
Shep

Hussulo · October 11, 2007 2:38AM

Another great medal.
From the medals I have seen you post so far I know we will be in for a big treat when you publish your website. I too can’t wait to see it.

coinkat · October 11, 2007 2:40AM

nice medal and the usual photo that is terrific... excellent

laurentyvan · October 11, 2007 3:31AM

Cacheman, the perspective of Goetz towards much of the rest of the world seems to be slightly politically skewed.

Did he have trouble maintaining his political equanimity during the age in which he lived?

Have you developed any issues with the man (as opposed to his work) during your research?

By the way, another terrific piece and can't wait until the new work is complete! If you need to farm out any drudge work, let me know- I have several hours a week I can donate.

spoon · October 11, 2007 4:01AM

Another great piece!

Funny, the fella on reverse almost looks like Tony Blair

Teg · October 11, 2007 5:06AM

<< <i>

<< <i>More interesting stuff. Thanks.

Uncle Sam seems to be turning a rudder rather than riding the bow?
Also the 'Englishman' seems to have a more US style cap.
Given the date and the history could it be an American?

Fascinating

Teg >>

This is exactly why I want a web page in order to draw feedback about these medals and build correct interpretations. Yes, Uncle Sam IS steering the ship around to pick up President Wilson, portrayed as a soldier, who is overboard and in the water.

This goes to show that I can't just take a description from Kienast or Frankenhuis and plug them in with the medal. Both 'researchers' got their descriptions wrong on this one.

Thanks Teg...Good Eye!!!

>>

Lightening quick response cacheman!
Your new designation makes much more historical sense.
It's amazing how a mistake by one original cataloger gets repeated ad infinitum.
So it is great to set the record straight.

I have enjoyed all the GOETZ you have posted - this is the first I could not understand.

Have you found many such errors?

Teg

cacheman · October 11, 2007 8:20AM

"Have you found many such errors?"

Yes, by both Goetz and researchers. Perhaps the worst culprits for mincing history are the auction houses and their catalog writers/editors...

I'll give you an example...one of the satiricals has a field of 'tulips' on it and every single reference I've seen for this medal they are mentioned as 'tulips'. Well they imply they are 'tulips' but if you look closer you can see that each flower is actually a stalk with a Social Democrat's hat, a balloon hat, on top. The medal is about Wilhelm II escaping to Holland but at the same time Goetz is saying that Social Democracy is growing. You really have to sit down and study the medal to get the entire picture yet, as you mentioned, something in print can get carried through with each descriptive iteration.

I am hoping that the forum I have on my new site will allow a freedom of ideas, both ways, in order to tighten up the meanings of Goetz' medals..

GOETZ: K-188 &quot;America's Peace Objectives&quot; 1917

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GOETZ: K-188 "America's Peace Objectives" 1917