Anybody ever heard of a 1979 half being struck on a Hatian 50 centimes planchet?
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I'm pretty sure that's what I just found... not sure if the 50 centimes were minted in Philadelphia, but I have a Kennedy I pulled out of a CWR today that measures 29mm across, sounds different than a regular Kennedy, and looks slightly different. It shows a slight weakness around the edges, as if the devices are ever so slightly bleeding off, obviously no rim, and the reeding also looks different. It shows a copper core, as well,but it appears to be a darker, almost richer shade of copper, and there is no nickel line either.
I'm taking it to my dealer tomorrow to have it weighed, but I'm pretty sure it's going to come up as 9.9g or so rather than the 11.34g of a correct planchet.
EDIT: Ended up weighing in at 9.9 and the regular one I took with it was at 11.2
I'm open to any other ideas, as well!
I'm taking it to my dealer tomorrow to have it weighed, but I'm pretty sure it's going to come up as 9.9g or so rather than the 11.34g of a correct planchet.
EDIT: Ended up weighing in at 9.9 and the regular one I took with it was at 11.2
I'm open to any other ideas, as well!
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Were there any other foreign planchets of that size on hand at the mint at that time?
Good question for the Darkside, too.
Even though I am primarily a Darksider, the topic hasn't come up too often in the discussions I've had.
Your "speculation" sounds to me like you may be onto something. If you can get it holdered as a wrong planchet error, good for you!
Who knows, I might even have to use that laborious "U SUCK" smiley mosaic again...
Until proven otherwise, I will have to assume that the edge of the coin has been altered in some manner.
<< <i>A fully reeded coin would have to have the full diameter of a Kennedy half. The collar doesn't shrink just because a slightly smaller planchet is being struck in it.
Until proven otherwise, I will have to assume that the edge of the coin has been altered in some manner. >>
now that I find myself in debate mode.
if they were strikinh Haitian 50 centimes, maybe the colla wasn't canged, too??
Would that accont for it, or would the dies hit the collar, Or, for that matter, would the smaller collar otherwise prohibit the use of the larger diameter dies?
the example half dollars seem even less deep.
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you need a similar year 50 centimes coin and count the reeding on each.
<< <i>A fully reeded coin would have to have the full diameter of a Kennedy half. The collar doesn't shrink just because a slightly smaller planchet is being struck in it.
Until proven otherwise, I will have to assume that the edge of the coin has been altered in some manner. >>
now that I find myself in debate mode.
if they were striking Haitian 50 centimes, maybe the collar wasn't changed, too??
Would that account for it, or would the dies hit the collar, Or, for that matter, would the smaller collar otherwise prohibit the use of the larger diameter dies or prevent a full strike?
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<< <i>A fully reeded coin would have to have the full diameter of a Kennedy half. The collar doesn't shrink just because a slightly smaller planchet is being struck in it.
Until proven otherwise, I will have to assume that the edge of the coin has been altered in some manner. >>
now that I find myself in debate mode.
if they were striking Haitian 50 centimes, maybe the collar wasn't changed, too??
Would that account for it, or would the dies hit the collar, Or, for that matter, would the smaller collar otherwise prohibit the use of the larger diameter dies or prevent a full strike? >>
The lower die has to be down INSIDE the collar. A Kennedy half dollar die would not fit inside a smaller collar.
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<< <i>No seam, I have several magicians coins, this doesn't sound like one. It actually sounds different than a regular kennedy too. But nothing like the dull thud of a magicians coin. Isn't attracted to magnets either, just tried that...
Actually, I'm examining it with a 25x loupe, and it looks like Henway may be right... there are some kind of machine lines where the rims should be, although extremely faint... and more unusually, I think you can still see some very, very slight remnants of the old reeding in certain spots... machined down and re-reeded? Whats the point of that? >>
Possibly to fit inside something else as part of a magic trick? The coin appears by magic and appears to the average person without a set of calipers to be perfectly normal?
Machine shops have knurling tool attachments for spindle lathes that can easily add reeding to any coin. The tool pictured will impart a reeded edge and the rollers to the rear would impart a diamond shaped knurl.
Interesting coin.
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<< <i>The lower die has to be down INSIDE the collar. A Kennedy half dollar die would not fit inside a smaller collar. >>
This.
It looks like a Kennedy half that was machined down by about 1 mm and had reeding added, and at a wider pitch than normal. A 29mm collar die would not permit a half dollar to be struck.
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<< <i>I'm rooting for you I just hope it's not something like this.
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That seller has lots of gimmick coins , look at this nesting coin trick listing it has 2 special halfs
coins that fit inside each other?