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I couldn't find any images either. Nor a special PCGS coin number (though they do have one for experimental shell case -- 515883, but that's a different composition).
Impressive...a red bronze '43. Guess it didn't circulate much before it was rescued. Intriguing. Lance.
I have a few questions. If this coin was supposedly made at the Philadelphia mint,why was it not sent to the Philadelphia mint for authentication and evaluation. This coin seems like a freak and I do not necessarily collect freak coins. What did PCGS it ? An error,a pattern or something else. Lastly this is probably going to be sold unreserved ??? Ha ha ha
I await Orevilles analysis of this piece given his extensive research into the materials experiments by the Mint during this period, and it's apparent relationship to this coin.
And, if this coin is not enough, I believe there is also a killer 1943 Bronze Cent grading PCGS-AU55 as well as a finest known (pop 2/0) 1944-P Steel Cent grading PCGS-MS64 also in the sale!!
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If it's on a planchet intended for another country's coin, and not on a bronze US cent planchet, I would guess the value would be a lot less.
How much would a cent normally be worth if struck on a wrong country/wrong metal planchet? Multiply by 10 or even 100 due to the novelty factor and that's probably what it *should* go for.
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Assuming this is one of the 60 trial pieces struck, where are the other 59? A more important question is whether they were allowed to leave the mint at that time and pass into the public's hands. If not, it would seem to open up another discussion of whether it was legally obtained from the US mint.
The weakness is not only on the shoulder/O in ONE, but on the rim lettering on most of the obverse. It may have been struck on an imperfect planchet. Maybe not a type 1, with no upset rims, but a planchet with only partially upset rims.
Thanks for posting the auction link. Can't wait to see it in-hand.
Assuming this is one of the 60 trial pieces struck, where are the other 59?
How many of the slabbed 1943 Bronze Cents have actually be tested for elemental composition? Could some of the coins now passing as million dollar errors end up being reclassified as experimental pieces?
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<< <i>Assuming this is one of the 60 trial pieces struck, where are the other 59?
How many of the slabbed 1943 Bronze Cents have actually be tested for elemental composition? Could some of the coins now passing as million dollar errors end up being reclassified as experimental pieces? >>
I was pondering the same question when I reviewed RWB chart in the auction description.
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I used to think the same until about a decade ago I was offered a brown unc example that I could have very easily written a check for. I passed as the allure of the 43 (& 55 DDO) is finding one in circulation.
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Eagle Eye: The weakness is not only on the shoulder/O in ONE, but on the rim lettering on most of the obverse. It may have been struck on an imperfect planchet. Maybe not a type 1, with no upset rims, but a planchet with only partially upset rims.
I wonder if it is simply a wrong planchet error. I noticed that 1943 cents that were erroneously struck on dime planchets similarly show the same weakness in the shoulder, lettering, etc. I suspect that it might be a planchet intended for a foreign coin.
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If it's on a planchet intended for another country's coin, and not on a bronze US cent planchet, I would guess the value would be a lot less. Correct: A common (if you can call it that) wrong planchet error for 1943 cents was the use of the Curacao 25C planchet - selling for no more than $11,500 most of the time.
The picture of this reminded me of the 1922 No D polished die error, (die polishing would make no sense for this coin), but then I noticed the weak strike along the obverse rims and even the weak (unconventional) reverse striking is VERY SIMILAR to a smaller planchet having been used. (Such as a dime). Looks similar to the 1943-S silver dime planchet error (Heritage, 2009 CSNS) with the same weak striking areas. Yes I'm aware it can not be a U.S. silver dime planchet, but maybe a world coin that had a similar dime size? But then the weight goes against this theory-too similar to a regular 1942 copper cent planchet. The compositon of a little extra silver is not odd to me-planchets having been made from rolled strips may have had some "foreign metals" left over added to the mixes. But why only this one?
If it came from the U.S. Mint, to me it is odd as to - why.
Just to play devil's advocate, a possible explanation for the weak strike:
At the end of 1942 production, a copper-based cent planchet is in the machinery and overlooked. Come 1943, new dies are installed in the press and steel planchets dumped in the hopper, and the press turned on. Before the flywheel gets up to full speed, this coin is struck.
Not saying that is what happened. Just offering it as a plausible explanation for a weak strike.
TD
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I wounder how many their are ?
AB
<< <i>Check it out - there's a red 1943 copper now!
Stacks Bowers 1943 MS63RD >>
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Impressive...a red bronze '43. Guess it didn't circulate much before it was rescued. Intriguing.
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I have a few questions. If this coin was supposedly made at the Philadelphia mint,why was it not sent to the Philadelphia mint for authentication and evaluation. This coin seems like a freak and I do not necessarily collect freak coins. What did PCGS it ?
An error,a pattern or something else.
Lastly this is probably going to be sold unreserved ??? Ha ha ha
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How did the Langbords make out when they contacted the US Mint about authentication and evaluation of their 1933 Saints?
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<< <i>Great story. But my only question: Melissa is a numismatist now? >>
numismatist - a person who studies or collects coins, medals, etc.
She doesn't?
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Or it could be another one, I'm not sure.
Nice coin though, can't wait to follow the auction on Stacks
edited to add
I was in too much of a rush looking for an image I didn't read this from the stacks write-up
"...as the composition did not match those recorded for these experiments, either."
my mistake
<< <i>Rare indeed......but I would rather have the 1873-CC NO ARROWS Dime.
So would I, that 1943 is an experimental composition. Interesting, yes. If I were after
a Pattern coin, ( at that valuation ), I'd be after J-1905.
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How much would a cent normally be worth if struck on a wrong country/wrong metal planchet? Multiply by 10 or even 100 due to the novelty factor and that's probably what it *should* go for.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
SB write up essentially says "it's being researched" and no pics.
Let's see what happens.
-Paul
<< <i>its not a great looker IMO
It's ugly....
Surprised at the weak strike.
Still an exceedingly rare coin.
at that time and pass into the public's hands. If not, it would seem to open up another discussion of whether it was legally obtained from the US mint.
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Thanks for posting the auction link. Can't wait to see it in-hand.
How many of the slabbed 1943 Bronze Cents have actually be tested for elemental composition? Could some of the coins now passing as million dollar errors end up being reclassified as experimental pieces?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>Assuming this is one of the 60 trial pieces struck, where are the other 59?
How many of the slabbed 1943 Bronze Cents have actually be tested for elemental composition? Could some of the coins now passing as million dollar errors end up being reclassified as experimental pieces? >>
I was pondering the same question when I reviewed RWB chart in the auction description.
<< <i>Ah, the stuff dreams are made of.
I used to think the same until about a decade ago I was offered a brown unc example that I could have very easily written a check for. I passed as the allure of the 43 (& 55 DDO) is finding one in circulation.
I wonder if it is simply a wrong planchet error. I noticed that 1943 cents that were erroneously struck on dime planchets similarly show the same weakness in the shoulder, lettering, etc. I suspect that it might be a planchet intended for a foreign coin.
Correct: A common (if you can call it that) wrong planchet error for 1943 cents was the use of the Curacao 25C planchet - selling for no more than $11,500 most of the time.
The picture of this reminded me of the 1922 No D polished die error, (die polishing would make no sense for this coin), but then I noticed the weak strike along the obverse rims and even the weak (unconventional) reverse striking is VERY SIMILAR to a smaller planchet having been used. (Such as a dime). Looks similar to the 1943-S silver dime planchet error (Heritage, 2009 CSNS) with the same weak striking areas. Yes I'm aware it can not be a U.S. silver dime planchet, but maybe a world coin that had a similar dime size? But then the weight goes against this theory-too similar to a regular 1942 copper cent planchet.
The compositon of a little extra silver is not odd to me-planchets having been made from rolled strips may have had some "foreign metals" left over added to the mixes. But why only this one?
If it came from the U.S. Mint, to me it is odd as to - why.
At the end of 1942 production, a copper-based cent planchet is in the machinery and overlooked. Come 1943, new dies are installed in the press and steel planchets dumped in the hopper, and the press turned on. Before the flywheel gets up to full speed, this coin is struck.
Not saying that is what happened. Just offering it as a plausible explanation for a weak strike.
TD