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tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
Check it out - there's a red 1943 copper now!

Stacks Bowers 1943 MS63RD

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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very cool!

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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Truely a rare coin, but not my cup of tea!
    I wounder how many their are ?
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh boy.....this should be good. image
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    AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That IS very cool! Just wondering if this is the coin PCGS is offering a reward for?

    ABimage
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Check it out - there's a red 1943 copper now!
    Stacks Bowers 1943 MS63RD >>


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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wonder if it has a special coin number since the composition is slightly different? Stacks doesn't show slab shots so may not know until lot viewing.


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    CocoinutCocoinut Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm looking forward to seeing photos of this coin!

    Jim
    Countdown to completion of my Mercury Set: 1 coin. My growing Lincoln Set: Finally completed!
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For a coin that is supposed to be auctioned within 30 days, there seems to be a lack of an image anywhere. No PCGS Pop either.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ......probably a ten million dollar reserve "fishing trip". ~~~~~~~oH YeAh lot viewing! That coin will have a line forming
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I couldn't find any images either. Nor a special PCGS coin number (though they do have one for experimental shell case -- 515883, but that's a different composition).

    Impressive...a red bronze '43. Guess it didn't circulate much before it was rescued. Intriguing.
    Lance.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    I've been on the look out for this coin for 53 years! image
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    pruebaspruebas Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great story. But my only question: Melissa is a numismatist now?
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    STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    I have a few questions. If this coin was supposedly made at the Philadelphia mint,why was it not sent to the Philadelphia mint for authentication and evaluation. This coin seems like a freak and I do not necessarily collect freak coins. What did PCGS it ?
    An error,a pattern or something else.
    Lastly this is probably going to be sold unreserved ??? Ha ha ha

    Stewart Blay
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Come on, Stewart - you recently stated you'd buy it if a RED ever came along! Go for it!
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    BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    YOu know the old saying - red now, brown later...
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rare indeed......but I would rather have the 1873-CC NO ARROWS Dime.image
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If this coin was supposedly made at the Philadelphia mint,why was it not sent to the Philadelphia mint for authentication and evaluation

    How did the Langbords make out when they contacted the US Mint about authentication and evaluation of their 1933 Saints? image
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    pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    Maybe Stewart can run the price up a bit on Simpson.image
    Mark
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    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We are sure Daniel Carr didn't make it? Unique composition, red, found in a roll, hmmm!!!
    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I await Orevilles analysis of this piece given his extensive research into the materials experiments by the Mint during this period, and it's apparent relationship to this coin.
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    2ndCharter2ndCharter Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭✭✭
    According to the press release, on-line bidding would be up by December 28.

    Oh yeah?

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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Great story. But my only question: Melissa is a numismatist now? >>



    numismatist - a person who studies or collects coins, medals, etc.

    She doesn't?
    Becky
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    wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 17,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And, if this coin is not enough, I believe there is also a killer 1943 Bronze Cent grading PCGS-AU55 as well as a finest known (pop 2/0) 1944-P Steel Cent grading PCGS-MS64 also in the sale!!

    Wondercoin
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    rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    Is this it? It was in coinfacts under experimental shell case RD-MS63

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    Or it could be another one, I'm not sure.

    Nice coin though, can't wait to follow the auction on Stacks

    edited to add

    I was in too much of a rush looking for an image I didn't read this from the stacks write-up

    "...as the composition did not match those recorded for these experiments, either."

    my mistake
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Rare indeed......but I would rather have the 1873-CC NO ARROWS Dime.image >>



    So would I, that 1943 is an experimental composition. Interesting, yes. If I were after
    a Pattern coin, ( at that valuation ), I'd be after J-1905. image
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    droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭
    If it's on a planchet intended for another country's coin, and not on a bronze US cent planchet, I would guess the value would be a lot less.

    How much would a cent normally be worth if struck on a wrong country/wrong metal planchet? Multiply by 10 or even 100 due to the novelty factor and that's probably what it *should* go for.
    Me at the Springfield coin show:
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    epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Seems an ambitious auction.

    SB write up essentially says "it's being researched" and no pics.

    Let's see what happens.
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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Many Quality coins for sale at http://www.CommonCentsRareCoins.com
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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    its not a great looker IMOimage
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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭


    << <i>its not a great looker IMOimage >>



    It's ugly....image
    Becky
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    StaircoinsStaircoins Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭

    Surprised at the weak strike.

    Still an exceedingly rare coin.

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Assuming this is one of the 60 trial pieces struck, where are the other 59? A more important question is whether they were allowed to leave the mint
    at that time and pass into the public's hands. If not, it would seem to open up another discussion of whether it was legally obtained from the US mint.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ah, the stuff dreams are made of. image
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The weakness is not only on the shoulder/O in ONE, but on the rim lettering on most of the obverse. It may have been struck on an imperfect planchet. Maybe not a type 1, with no upset rims, but a planchet with only partially upset rims.

    Thanks for posting the auction link. Can't wait to see it in-hand.
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Assuming this is one of the 60 trial pieces struck, where are the other 59?

    How many of the slabbed 1943 Bronze Cents have actually be tested for elemental composition? Could some of the coins now passing as million dollar errors end up being reclassified as experimental pieces?

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Assuming this is one of the 60 trial pieces struck, where are the other 59?

    How many of the slabbed 1943 Bronze Cents have actually be tested for elemental composition? Could some of the coins now passing as million dollar errors end up being reclassified as experimental pieces? >>



    I was pondering the same question when I reviewed RWB chart in the auction description.

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ah, the stuff dreams are made of. image >>



    I used to think the same until about a decade ago I was offered a brown unc example that I could have very easily written a check for. I passed as the allure of the 43 (& 55 DDO) is finding one in circulation.
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
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    Eagle Eye: The weakness is not only on the shoulder/O in ONE, but on the rim lettering on most of the obverse. It may have been struck on an imperfect planchet. Maybe not a type 1, with no upset rims, but a planchet with only partially upset rims.

    I wonder if it is simply a wrong planchet error. I noticed that 1943 cents that were erroneously struck on dime planchets similarly show the same weakness in the shoulder, lettering, etc. I suspect that it might be a planchet intended for a foreign coin.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttt
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    If it's on a planchet intended for another country's coin, and not on a bronze US cent planchet, I would guess the value would be a lot less.
    Correct: A common (if you can call it that) wrong planchet error for 1943 cents was the use of the Curacao 25C planchet - selling for no more than $11,500 most of the time.

    The picture of this reminded me of the 1922 No D polished die error, (die polishing would make no sense for this coin), but then I noticed the weak strike along the obverse rims and even the weak (unconventional) reverse striking is VERY SIMILAR to a smaller planchet having been used. (Such as a dime). Looks similar to the 1943-S silver dime planchet error (Heritage, 2009 CSNS) with the same weak striking areas. Yes I'm aware it can not be a U.S. silver dime planchet, but maybe a world coin that had a similar dime size? But then the weight goes against this theory-too similar to a regular 1942 copper cent planchet.
    The compositon of a little extra silver is not odd to me-planchets having been made from rolled strips may have had some "foreign metals" left over added to the mixes. But why only this one?

    If it came from the U.S. Mint, to me it is odd as to - why.



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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just to play devil's advocate, a possible explanation for the weak strike:

    At the end of 1942 production, a copper-based cent planchet is in the machinery and overlooked. Come 1943, new dies are installed in the press and steel planchets dumped in the hopper, and the press turned on. Before the flywheel gets up to full speed, this coin is struck.

    Not saying that is what happened. Just offering it as a plausible explanation for a weak strike.

    TD
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.

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