1921-S Walking Liberty half (w/grading poll)

lordmarcovan · December 14, 2011 6:09AM

Just bought this for my circ Walker half Dansco. What do you think?

I think it is a nice original looking coin.

The only thing that slightly worries me is that the corner and bottom edge of the flag look "tooled" to me, somehow. But for all I know, this is perfectly normal. I guess I've never scrutinized my Walkers very closely. See what I'm talking about? The way it looks "carved"?

The coin is in a TPG holder so surely they would have noticed and mentioned the tooling if there was any, right?

I'm probably just being paranoid. I'll post the grade later.

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lordmarcovan · December 14, 2011 6:14AM

For the record, I voted the "neutral" poll option since it's been TPG graded.

MikeInFL · December 14, 2011 6:15AM

jesbroken · December 14, 2011 6:17AM

vg8 likewise---Jim

DorkGirl · December 14, 2011 6:29AM

IrishMikey · December 14, 2011 6:40AM

The "tooling" you are seeing is on mine, too. I think it is part of the design.

Bullsitter · December 14, 2011 6:43AM

F12

IHC08 · December 14, 2011 6:45AM

VG10

lordmarcovan · December 14, 2011 6:45AM

<< The "tooling" you are seeing is on mine, too. I think it is part of the design. >>

Thanks. It just looked strange to me on this coin, like somebody had "accented" that area. Looking around, I see others like that, so I guess I was just being paranoid.

crypto79 · December 14, 2011 7:02AM

F15

lordmarcovan · December 14, 2011 7:05AM

I love watching the statistical "bell curve" form on these polls. Some start out pretty scattered, but they almost always resolve themselves into the classic bell curve. Looks like we're headed that way with this one.

DennisH · December 14, 2011 7:15AM

I voted early... and for F12. I love the "look", originality, and excellent detail for a lower-circ '21 Walker. I also like the bold date. You could have done much, much worse... and it's going to look beautiful in your Dansco.

291fifth · December 14, 2011 7:40AM

VG10 - a nice original coin.

Walkerguy21D · December 14, 2011 8:21AM

Tough call - obv bust detail looks F12, but the weakness on the rev, including some of the rim areas, says VG10, which is what I voted.
I have seen a number of 21S's that have relative strong bust line detail but weaker detail throughout the rest of the coin,
making them difficult to grade. W/o knowing the TPG holder it's in, I think Accugrade may give it a VF, and PCGS a VG10, and everyone else would be in between.

TexasNationals · December 14, 2011 8:27AM

I like it as VG-10

TorinoCobra71 · December 14, 2011 8:42AM

F12

lordmarcovan · December 14, 2011 8:48AM

Strong bell curve now, with F12 pulling ahead by a noticeable margin now.

I'll reveal the grade after dinner, I guess. (Which in my case should be sometime in the next hour from now.)

(Edit to add: Beef Lo Mein and Egg Drop Soup, if you were wondering. Ladymarcovan is bringin' Chinese carryout home. Yum.)

MFH · December 14, 2011 9:06AM

It's a text book 12

IMHO

Tdec1000 · December 14, 2011 9:19AM

<< It's a text book 12

IMHO >>

Defintely a text book 12! Right on!

Halfhunter06 · December 14, 2011 9:30AM

F 15

lordmarcovan · December 14, 2011 9:34AM

Beef Lo Mein consumed now (they forgot my Egg Drop Soup, but I did get an Egg Roll).

Ladymarcovan wants me to go to the store because she forgot to buy eggs and she's baking tonight.

So off I go, possibly for the rest of the evening. (Think I'll curl up with a good old fashioned printed book when I get home- I'm tired of starin' at the monitor.)

Anyway, here is the slab.

Thanks for playin'.

lordmarcovan · December 15, 2011 2:28AM

These threads always seem to die very abruptly after I post the grade, so that I wonder if anybody even saw it.

Of course the majority were right in this poll.

amwldcoin · December 15, 2011 3:27AM

I voted VG10 before I saw your grade so now I will change it to a PCGS VG10...the reverse doesn't cut it for a 12 to me.

lordmarcovan · December 15, 2011 4:09AM

<< I voted VG10 before I saw your grade so now I will change it to a PCGS VG10...the reverse doesn't cut it for a 12 to me. >>

Fair enough- Walkerguy21D spoke along those lines, too, and I would defer to the judgment of those who have much more experience with the series, as he obviously does. So ANACS F12, but not enough meat on the reverse for the F12 grade at a top-tier TPG, perhaps.

I can live with that. I still think the coin will fit in with my raw F-VF Dansco OK, though I don't know if I'll crack it out or not.

IrishMikey · December 15, 2011 4:32AM

Looks like a pretty solid Fine to me. Can I buy this quality for VG money? The
sheet shows a price jump from about $50 in VG to about $175 in Fine, so I think
there might be a few dollars to be made.

Nice looking coin, Lord M.

guitarwes · December 15, 2011 5:09AM

<< It's a text book 12

IMHO >>

yup. Nice one.

lordmarcovan · December 15, 2011 5:18AM

<< Looks like a pretty solid Fine to me. Can I buy this quality for VG money? >>

Maybe, if you shop smart and get lucky. I'm not as hip to the distinguishing line between VG and Fine on this series yet- I'm still learning. That's another reason I went for plastic with this, with it being a better-date coin.

<< The sheet shows a price jump from about $50 in VG to about $175 in Fine, so I think there might be a few dollars to be made. >>

I don't use the Greysheet, but rather a combination of Numismedia and Redbook and gut instinct. The first two are retail priceguides, so there will be times (including this one) that I might end up overpaying as a result, but oh well.

I have $228 in this one. We all know if I'd bid sheet on a slabbed key/semi-key date coin like this I probably wouldn't have gotten it. I was shopping BINs and this one was below both the F12 prices in the 2012 Redbook ($250) and Numismedia FMV ($264), so I pulled the trigger.

Might not have made much sense if I were a bigtime dealer or buying the coin for a fast flip, but it's for a personal collection, so I won't be flipping it in the short term (at least until the set is complete, most likely).

joecopper · December 15, 2011 7:25AM

LM - I think that you paid for a quality coin, something that will pay in the future.

amwldcoin · December 15, 2011 7:58AM

<< Looks like a pretty solid Fine to me. Can I buy this quality for VG money? The
sheet shows a price jump from about $50 in VG to about $175 in Fine, so I think
there might be a few dollars to be made.

Nice looking coin, Lord M. >>

That coin does have the "perfect look". But I really don't think PCGS would give it a 12. I bet if you look at similiar PCGS 10 coins the price will be justified. There is just no way any price quide can be totally acurate...there are way to many considerations when evaluating a coin!

Walkerguy21D · December 15, 2011 8:01AM

<< << Looks like a pretty solid Fine to me. Can I buy this quality for VG money? >>
Maybe, if you shop smart and get lucky. >>

That's the name of the game......I paid over Fine Ask for this raw 21-S that the dealer had marked as Fine;
the coin was then sold to GuitarWes on the forum here for a bargain price:

Just this past weekend, another dealer was showing me a set he'd just acquired.
There were multiple early date coins he had marked as 'XF' that were AU coins all day long.
He wanted full XF Bid and not a penny less - I couldn't buy them fast enough!

lordmarcovan · December 15, 2011 8:13AM

Thanks for the input.

I've gotta get my feet wet in this series a little more. As I already admitted, I am still having difficulty spotting the splits between VG10 and F12 and F15 and VF20.

For this reason, I have a feeling there are gonna be some VG10s sneaking into my album, if they haven't already.

1921-S Walking Liberty half (w/grading poll)

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