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President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
'dude
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>A dipped AU-58. Looks like someone was going for an MS grade.
'dude >>
My guess too but what do I know
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The coin appears lighter in the OP image than it is in hand. To me, it looks very strong for the XF-45 grade. It almost certainly has been lightened at some point but no more so than many, many other holdered gold coins.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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regards,
'dude
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>This coin is the poster child for the PCGS grade review service. >>
Without actually seeing the coin, how can you possibly know? Are you a seer?
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<< <i>I don't think one needs to be a "seer" to notice that a number of well healed numismatists weighed in with higher grade opinions.... all without coin "in hand". >>
Few points:
1. The grade review service comment implies that the coin is either overgraded or a no grade.
2. The grade opinions were all over the place, from NG to MS-61.
3. Coin buying and grading decisions are best made with the coin in hand. People who have not actually seen the coin are at a tremendous disadvantage.
4. The "heeledness" of the opinionators is a matter of opinion.
<< <i>i would crack it out ! looks much better than xf45 >>
IMO, the coin is either choice AU or BB.
FWIW... I thought the piece has a number of contact marks and a little bit of wear. My initial impression was AU53. That said, I think it's understood by most forum members that ascertaining color or whether or not a piece has been dipped at some point is next to impossible without the coin in hand. Thus, everyone's opinions as to grade on any coin depicted are just that... opinions, and probably not very good ones as you so poignantly demonstrated in this thread... none of us have the coin in hand.
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<< <i>i would crack it out ! looks much better than xf45 >>
IMO, the coin is either choice AU or BB. >>
What do you see that leads you to believe that BB is a reasonable possibility?
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
I would also agree that the brightening of the coin may have netted it down to XF45. I would have graded it AU50.
roadrunner
- the hairlines are a minimum
- the color in the image is an accurate representation of what the coin really looks like
- the BB is appropriate only if the surfaces have been impaired severely- I have seen coins that clearly do not have the look of this coin that have been graded without consideration of a dip
I suspect the weakness in the strike had a overly negative consideration in the assigned grade.
I think the coin is attractive for the date and mint- its a keeper
And FTR, I am probably as tough on gold as the man who needs no introduction and started this thread
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Areas of the field, particularly on the reverse, show darkness consistent with at least a little originality. If it was cleaned, it can't have been cleaned a ton.
Nice coin. From those pictures I'd doubt it's hairlined. I'd say gold bean in that holder.
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<< <i>1. The grade review service comment implies that the coin is either overgraded or a no grade. >>
No! I was implying that it was undergraded and deserving of a higher grade in the AU range.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>1. The grade review service comment implies that the coin is either overgraded or a no grade. >>
No! I was implying that it was undergraded and deserving of a higher grade in the AU range. >>
That's how I read it ... he's still cranky cuz Pittsburgh lost!
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<< <i>1. The grade review service comment implies that the coin is either overgraded or a no grade. >>
No! I was implying that it was undergraded and deserving of a higher grade in the AU range. >>
That's how I read it ... he's still cranky cuz Pittsburgh lost!
Ha!
Unless I misunderstand the terminology, "grade review" is the service that you send coins when you believe they are overgraded. "Regrade" is the service for when you think your coin is undergraded.
At any rate, the coin will be sent for neither. It's not worth it.
I just received notification of my results from a 15 coin submission to the CAC. 14 of 15 coins received stickers, with three golds, and this is the only coin that did not sticker.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
<< <i>If that coin was on ebay then I had seen it previously and had passed on it because it appeared significantly boinked though it also appeared undergraded by a details grade. >>
I acquired the coin from Heritage in January. I do not know if there is an ebay history, but it would have to have been prior to November or so.
Sorry but your comments seem a little tough- IF it if was listed on ebay? Do you know it was on Ebay?
Well that is news to everyone else here that looked at the coin from the image provided to render an opinion
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<< <i>i would crack it out ! looks much better than xf45 >>
I would never do that. I love the mystic that comes with owning a bunch of undergraded PCGS and NGC holdered coins.
<< <i>TomB
Sorry but your comments seem a little tough- IF it if was listed on ebay? Do you know it was on Ebay?
Well that is news to everyone else here that looked at the coin from the image provided to render an opinion
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Tough? I don't see honest as being tough in this case. Regardless, not everyone else loved this coin since it was called "cleaned" by fcloud, "dipped" by CharlotteDude, "dipped" by crypto79, "cleaned" by abadasp, "may have been silently net graded due to dipping or light hairlines" by PerryHall, "too bright for the grade, even if PCGS was in a "net-grading" mood that day" by CharlotteDude, "AU holder 2 or 3 times out of 5...the other times I think it would NG" by CharlotteDude, "agree that the brightening of the coin may have netted it down to XF45" by roadrunner. Perhaps we are not reading the same thread? These are all ways of saying "significantly boinked".
I added the caveat "If that coin was on ebay..." because I thought it was on ebay. In this case I was wrong, but there is another O-mint Liberty quarter eagle in a PCGS EF45 dot matrix style OGH currently on ebay that looks like trouble and the coin currently on ebay is the one that I thought this coin was when I opened the thread. That is why I did not respond earlier and why I mentioned ebay. Look the other coin up if you want.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I am not the only judge of what is market acceptible. This coin in comparison to other no motto gold in my view is MARKET acceptible unless the image does not represent what the coin looks like in hand. It seems clear that CAC feels to the contrary and at the moment that is okay because I am relying on an image which looks quite attractive for the date and mint. The satin almost matte appearance of lustre seems to be a double whammey in terms of the EF45 grade.
The weak strike of what is typical for this mint seems to have been seen as wear- it clearly is not wear otherwise the fields and high points on the obverse would not have the characteristics this coin has- from the image, the coin is an AU coin- no disrespect to our hosts is intended as I hold PCGS in a high regard as I continue to submit coins to them
There is no person on this forum that has made a more compelling argument than me for an original surfaces designation - please look back at prior posts on this forum if there is any doubt in your mind or anyone else that reads this. My view of originality is my view only and what I have suggested has yet to be adopted and it likely never will- it does not make my view on originality wrong- its just that my standard is quite high and what is market acceptible seems to be a moving target. Having said that, this coin looks better than most and unless the image is significantly off- it is an AU COIN.
This coin is the one that is at issue- not one on ebay- and I do not feel compelled to chase around on Ebay looking for something that I did not suggest existed as you did.
It seems clear you do not value my thoughts or the contributions that I have made in the time that I have posted here, and considering what you have posted here, I am okay with that...
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.