Found a 1994 1c DDR FS-801 searching rolls today - Grade Posted

frnklnlvr · December 4, 2008 4:10AM

I've got a better find than the 72 DDO-003 I found yesterday. In the same batch of rolls I got from my local bank, I found a 1994 1c DDR FS-801. Looks MS and still mostly red. Here are some photos.

coinkid855 · December 4, 2008 4:11AM

Nice find!

-Paul

frnklnlvr · December 4, 2008 4:24AM

<< Nice find!

-Paul >>

I just got back into searching rolls about a month ago. It's always thrilling when you have a nice find like this. These particular rolls were turned into the bank by the customer in front of me. I always like getting rolls that were turned in by someone, you never know what you're gonna find.

19Lyds · December 4, 2008 4:31AM

Great Find!

BTW, I have no idea how Lincoln roll searchers do it since I get uber bored and frustrated after the 4th or 5th roll!

frnklnlvr · December 4, 2008 4:34AM

I can't do but about $5 worth at a time. My eyes start hurting and I'll start losing my concentration. I search all denominations but it seems like there's more to find searching cents. I've gone through a lot of the Pres. dollars, never found any of the smooth edge but I found four Adams rotated dies.

GrumpyEd · December 4, 2008 4:58AM

That's a nice find.

This variety had only a few known about 10 years ago but in the last few years quite a few have been found. Still it's a tough one to locate and a great find.

There's also several similar ones for 1994.

drkilmer · December 4, 2008 5:00AM

Yeh ... nice find! I love looking through lincoln rolls ...

JupitarCoins · December 4, 2008 5:25AM

Very nice find, Although I think it would probably grade au58 or very low mint state. Still a great coin. The only problem I have with the auction is the $5 shipping charge. Kinda expensive imho.

WaterSport · December 4, 2008 5:37AM

I am think more like 63 R&B .Its far better than the one in my variety set. Good going!

WS

frnklnlvr · December 4, 2008 5:37AM

<< Very nice find, Although I think it would probably grade au58 or very low mint state. Still a great coin. The only problem I have with the auction is the $5 shipping charge. Kinda expensive imho. >>

The $5 will include insurance but I'll change it to $3.50. I'm not trying to make anything off shipping, I can never seem to accurately calculate shipping. I'll also change the description to AU-Unc. I'd rather undergrade than overgrade. If it doesn't sell I'm going to have it certified.

drkilmer · December 4, 2008 5:45AM

MS63 ...

JupitarCoins · December 4, 2008 6:06AM

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<< Very nice find, Although I think it would probably grade au58 or very low mint state. Still a great coin. The only problem I have with the auction is the $5 shipping charge. Kinda expensive imho. >>

The $5 will include insurance but I'll change it to $3.50. I'm not trying to make anything off shipping, I can never seem to accurately calculate shipping. I'll also change the description to AU-Unc. I'd rather undergrade than overgrade. If it doesn't sell I'm going to have it certified. >>

Sorry I didnt notice that it included insurance, I would also get delivery confirmation to.

Edited to add: By the way nice looking franklin half that you also have for sale, love the toning on that one.

frnklnlvr · December 4, 2008 6:19AM

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<< Very nice find, Although I think it would probably grade au58 or very low mint state. Still a great coin. The only problem I have with the auction is the $5 shipping charge. Kinda expensive imho. >>

The $5 will include insurance but I'll change it to $3.50. I'm not trying to make anything off shipping, I can never seem to accurately calculate shipping. I'll also change the description to AU-Unc. I'd rather undergrade than overgrade. If it doesn't sell I'm going to have it certified. >>

Sorry I didnt notice that it included insurance, I would also get delivery confirmation to.

Edited to add: By the way nice looking franklin half that you also have for sale, love the toning on that one.

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Yea, I like that Franklin too but I've got another 56 DDO-002 and times are tight right now so I decided to try to sell it. That particular doubled die isn't too tough to find. It's easy to identify because of the die chips in the E of LIBERTY. You can cherrypick them off Ebay if the seller has a good picture.

barrytrot · December 4, 2008 6:35AM

Ok, how on earth do you search for DDO's without taking 30+ seconds per 1c coin? I go through penny rolls a lot but I'm just going pre82, which you can see quickly.

Please advise how this is done? I wouldn't mind jumping on the band wagon!

dbemike · December 4, 2008 6:56AM

Nice find...Heres one I got back from PCGS last week...yours definitely looks nicer 63RD

My find searching rolls was
1999 Wide AM MS63RB

JupitarCoins · December 4, 2008 7:02AM

After seeing that au58 I take back what I say about yours and say probably a 62 or 63. Good luck on your auction. I dont think you will have any problems selling it.

Type2 · December 4, 2008 8:17AM

That is cool.

frnklnlvr · December 4, 2008 2:25PM

<< Ok, how on earth do you search for DDO's without taking 30+ seconds per 1c coin? I go through penny rolls a lot but I'm just going pre82, which you can see quickly.

Please advise how this is done? I wouldn't mind jumping on the band wagon! >>

Well, I'm sure I miss a lot of minor doubled dies, it would take forever to look at every single coin long enough to find those minor ones. When I'm searching, I look at the date and try to think of any known varieties for that date. For example 98,99,00 I look for the wide AM, 92, 92D close AM. 88,88D,89,89D transitional varieties, 1995 DDO, etc, and this 1994 I found today I've been looking for this for a while. There's thousands of doubled dies in this series and some are minor and I'm sure I've missed a lot of these.

lasvegasteddy · December 4, 2008 2:28PM

congrats on a sweet find

cladking · December 4, 2008 2:33PM

Nice find.

frnklnlvr · December 4, 2008 11:34PM

Does anyone know what the PCGS population is for this variety? I'm not a paid member so I can't see the pop. reports.

dbemike · December 5, 2008 6:37AM

Pops show 10 total graded

55BN-1 $35
58BN-2

62RB-1
63RB-2
64RB-1

65RD-2 $175
66RD-1

Edited for prices...only grades that show prices

frnklnlvr · December 5, 2008 12:15PM

<< Pops show 10 total graded

55BN-1 $35
58BN-2

62RB-1
63RB-2
64RB-1

65RD-2 $175
66RD-1

Edited for prices...only grades that show prices >>

Thanks.

RichieURich · December 5, 2008 1:59PM

Nice find, on a variety that's difficult to find.

frnklnlvr · December 12, 2008 10:11PM

A friend of mine, Bill O'Rourke, author of Coin World column 'Found In Rolls' included an article about my find in his December Newsletter. Scroll down to the very end of the newsletter, it's on the left hand column.

dbemike · December 12, 2008 11:07PM

Brett,
Nice article

RBinTex · December 13, 2008 12:01AM

This one is even more rare:

frnklnlvr · December 13, 2008 12:04AM

That's a beautiful example of this variety!

frnklnlvr · December 13, 2008 12:06AM

What's the difference in the second one? They both have the same FS # don't they?

STONE · December 13, 2008 12:07AM

<< What's the difference in the second one? They both have the same FS # don't they? >>

Yeh, that's what I was thinking.

BTW - Congrats on the find, and great information

RBinTex · December 13, 2008 12:10AM

PCGS recognizes EITHER CONECA variety (maybe 'cause mine is the only one known &/or the differences are so subtle - see CONECA Website ) as FS-039.9.

DDR#1: Very strong spread with extra columns in the lower portion of bay #2, 3, 4, and 10 and almost a full extra column in bay #11

DDR#2: Very strong spread with light but complete extra columns in bay # 3, 4, 10, and 11

It will be interesting to see what the CPG does if/when they revamp Volume 1.

So, DDR#1 has an extra column in bay 2 (whereas DDR#2 has none) but DDR#2 has a COMPLETE extra column in bay 11 (whereas DDR#1 has only a partial one).
Additionally, Die#1 has the doubling in the lower portions of the bays whereas Die#2 has it in the entire bay.

In effect, in simple terms, the doubling basically had a slight shift from left to right (and in an increasing amount from bottom to top) from Die #1 to Die #2.

frnklnlvr · December 13, 2008 12:15AM

I thought maybe PCGS mis-attributed it. You can guarantee Wiles got it correct though.

I noticed it says new listing, is this the discovery coin?

RBinTex · December 13, 2008 12:20AM

Yes. The discovery coin and as yet, the one and only one confirmed (with the possible exception being an AU one I think Brian Allen had).

WaterSport · December 13, 2008 1:17AM

So Roger you had 7 of the 10 in the population report listed, correct? I am good for the other 63R&B. That leaves only two others..anybody here have one of those 2?

WS

frnklnlvr · December 13, 2008 2:39AM

<< So Roger you had 7 of the 10 in the population report listed, correct? I am good for the other 63R&B. That leaves only two others..anybody here have one of those 2?

WS >>

The pop report doesn't list a 61RB, 63RD, or 64RD which are four of the ones he has. The pop lists 2 in 63RB, Roger had 2 and you have 1 so there's at least 3 in 63RB.

dbemike · December 13, 2008 5:39AM

Rogers are in MINT ERROR holders, so they aren't in the pop report at all.

RBinTex · December 13, 2008 6:07AM

Correct Mike. Holdered PRE-variety PCGS No.'s

frnklnlvr · December 14, 2008 1:17AM

<< Rogers are in MINT ERROR holders, so they aren't in the pop report at all. >>

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.

frnklnlvr · January 22, 2009 6:03PM

I sent this coin to NGC and I now wish I hadn't. The only reason I did this was because a friend of mine was making a submission and I included it with his to save a few bucks. I'm happy with the grade, MS65 RD(which BTW, I'm shocked that it was given this grade). But they said it was not the FS variety. I compared it to all the die markers on coppercoins listing and I'm 1000% sure it is FS-801(039.9). Here are photos of my actual coin showing the die markers. Link to 1994 fs-039.9 on coppercoins.

clackamas · January 22, 2009 7:02PM

roger - you got LUCKY on some of those grades, Au's on some were in order.

seanq · January 22, 2009 11:06PM

<< PCGS recognizes EITHER CONECA variety (maybe 'cause mine is the only one known &/or the differences are so subtle - see CONECA Website ) as FS-039.9.

DDR#1: Very strong spread with extra columns in the lower portion of bay #2, 3, 4, and 10 and almost a full extra column in bay #11

DDR#2: Very strong spread with light but complete extra columns in bay # 3, 4, 10, and 11

It will be interesting to see what the CPG does if/when they revamp Volume 1.

So, DDR#1 has an extra column in bay 2 (whereas DDR#2 has none) but DDR#2 has a COMPLETE extra column in bay 11 (whereas DDR#1 has only a partial one).
Additionally, Die#1 has the doubling in the lower portions of the bays whereas Die#2 has it in the entire bay.

In effect, in simple terms, the doubling basically had a slight shift from left to right (and in an increasing amount from bottom to top) from Die #1 to Die #2. >>

Since this thread bubbled back to the top, I'm curious as to the answer to the question highlighted above. Did the listing for this variety change to acknowledge this second die?

Sean Reynolds

frnklnlvr · January 22, 2009 11:59PM

<< 

<< PCGS recognizes EITHER CONECA variety (maybe 'cause mine is the only one known &/or the differences are so subtle - see CONECA Website ) as FS-039.9.

DDR#1: Very strong spread with extra columns in the lower portion of bay #2, 3, 4, and 10 and almost a full extra column in bay #11

DDR#2: Very strong spread with light but complete extra columns in bay # 3, 4, 10, and 11

It will be interesting to see what the CPG does if/when they revamp Volume 1.

So, DDR#1 has an extra column in bay 2 (whereas DDR#2 has none) but DDR#2 has a COMPLETE extra column in bay 11 (whereas DDR#1 has only a partial one).
Additionally, Die#1 has the doubling in the lower portions of the bays whereas Die#2 has it in the entire bay.

In effect, in simple terms, the doubling basically had a slight shift from left to right (and in an increasing amount from bottom to top) from Die #1 to Die #2. >>

Since this thread bubbled back to the top, I'm curious as to the answer to the question highlighted above. Did the listing for this variety change to acknowledge this second die?

Sean Reynolds >>

So my coin would be DDR-001, correct?

Found a 1994 1c DDR FS-801 searching rolls today - Grade Posted

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