1886 Morgan 3+2 Vam 1C

blu62vette · April 21, 2008 10:16AM

I was just curious how many clash marks are on this coin. I see the 3+2 (which is rather faint on the 3rd clash) I see the neck, nose, possibly hair, possibly something else above the claw near the arrow and possibly something on the left end of the wreath. Are these all clashes? Just curious. The coin is a PCGS ms64 that is unattributed. I know it isn't to rare but hopefully it was a good pickup. It showed up today and I had forgot I bought it, nothing like a surprise!!

Rampage · April 21, 2008 10:21AM

Interesting coin. I don't know the answer, but it looks like more than 5 clashes to me. I might be seeing things though.

Rollerman · April 21, 2008 12:35PM

My quess is they are all clashes. I have an early die state of this coin and you can see Ms. Liberty's lips on the reverse as well. You can also see the top 3 clashes close together and bold on an early struck piece. Here's the link in case you need it:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=652996

Best wishes,
Pete

erroid · April 21, 2008 12:42PM

A beauty! Don't forget to check for obv clashing; there are none known with a clashed obv....

blu62vette · April 21, 2008 12:46PM

Does anyone know a good price for this one? This is a 64. Just curious, I know it is common not sure on the premium.

blu62vette · April 21, 2008 12:48PM

<< <i>My quess is they are all clashes. I have an early die state of this coin and you can see Ms. Liberty's lips on the reverse as well. You can also see the top 3 clashes close together and bold on an early struck piece. Here's the link in case you need it:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=652996

Best wishes,
Pete >>

You linked my thread, can you link yours?

Coxe · April 21, 2008 12:51PM

There are actually 3+3 from the clash event. I have the revision on that. Prooflike examples (exceedingly rare) exhibit the full number. It is fairly certain that the clashing occurred at die set up. The original (clashed) obverse die was discarded and replaced. This is why no examples of a coins two sided clashed has ever turned up.

mgoodm3 · April 21, 2008 1:26PM

Coxe · April 21, 2008 2:01PM

Yes, there are a few nice toners among them too. (I sent one off to Heritage not long ago.)

Coxe · April 23, 2008 2:32AM

<< <i>Yes, there are a few nice toners among them too. (I sent one off to Heritage not long ago.) >>

Speaking of which, last night someone ripped that coin I consigned. The toning is nicer in hand than Heritage showed it to be. Sold for half the market value too. I get the occasional rip too, so congrats to whomever got it. Here is that lot anyway. (The 86-O VAM-7 also sold for a big bargain. I know that was missing form a number of good registry sets.)

Wolf359 · April 23, 2008 2:58AM

(The 86-O VAM-7 also sold for a big bargain. I know that was missing form a number of good registry sets.)

I dropped at at $180. It looked abused, that's why. Not sure it should have been holdered in the first place, sorry to the buyer but
there was something wrong with it.

Rollerman · April 23, 2008 6:59AM

<< <i>

<< <i>My quess is they are all clashes. I have an early die state of this coin and you can see Ms. Liberty's lips on the reverse as well. You can also see the top 3 clashes close together and bold on an early struck piece. Here's the link in case you need it:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=652996

Best wishes,
Pete >>

You linked my thread, can you link yours? >>

OOps! Sorry about that. Try this:

http://www.vamworld.com/1886-P+VAM-1C

Pete

1886 Morgan 3+2 Vam 1C

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